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<0> yes, that thing
<0> i got accustomed to it when using Visual Studio, it's really a time saver
<0> even if i tend to write short files
<1> vim can do that :)
<2> vim can do close to anything :P
<1> indeed.
<3> ben_m: do you have a recommendation of a plugin for that in Vim ? I tried looking one day, but there were way too many .. information overload, I gave up and went home =p
<0> from what i read, Eclipse can do even more :-)
<1> :help folding
<1> :)
<3> ben_m: it's built in ?
<1> indeed
<1> since version 6 i think
<3> well darn.
<2> v7 has omnicomplete too, which is rather cool
<1> What's that?
<2> intelligent code complete for various languages like ruby and python
<0> really?
<1> ah :)
<3> not sure what version I started using Vim in, but it's been a few years now
<0> i think i might be trying that out too
<0> maybe it's time i start to use a real editor
<4> Zeros: just like emacs! Fantastic ;)
<2> yeah, it doesn't just complete words in the same document, it uses an interpreter and some other tricks to be smart with what it completes
<1> hm
<2> Windrose, hahaha. I use neither, so don't think I'm on either side of the holy war :P
<1> Nothing I'd use :)
<3> heh @ Vim's manual about folding, it has 3D ASCII art
<0> Zeros, does that exist for PHP too? and maybe HTML tags?
<1> Samus_Aran where?
<3> usr_28.txt
<3> :he folding, then it has a link there
<2> Polysics, well HTML tags aren't programatic, so I bet it just completes from a list. I'm not sure about php, there might be a plugin for it :)
<1> ah :)
<1> gf ftw.
<1> I read something about using tidy with vim for html autocompletion/autoformating
<5> whoa, china's got a sattellite killing missile
<0> Samus_Aran, am i looking for VIM if i want to try out your editor?
<0> hax, in soviet russia, missiles kill YOU! no wait, that happens everywhere! :-)
<5> Polysics: :P
<3> "All the folding commands start with "z". With some fantasy, this looks like a folded piece of paper, seen from the side."
<3> heh, mini ASCII art in the command
<5> Samus_Aran: HAH
<1> haha ;D
<5> err
<5> *hah
<2> Polysics, And by 2010 we'll be able to rain magnesium rods from the sky on any country around the world :P
<2> hax too
<3> Polysics: I find regular Vim (without a custom config) quite painful to use. you can check out my ~/.vimrc file if you like, might find some things you like in it
<0> magnesium rods? is that more dangerous than, say, molybdenum rods?
<2> well if a rocket deploys the rods 50 miles up, and they accelerate to mach 4 before they hit the ground...
<2> incredible damage and no nuclear fallout
<1> My .vimrc is like 7 lines long, only setting numbers, autoindent, syntaxhighlighting and tab settings
<3> Polysics: http://auk.ca/63 << there's my config file and my custom colour scheme
<2> Polysics, cryptonite might be better though ;)
<5> Zeros: you think?
<0> what i meant is, basically anything accelerated at Mach 4 with enough m*** is dangerous
<5> Zeros: i think biochemical warfare is the thing of the future
<0> maybe they're going to fire all those old AOL CDs
<5> Zeros: did you hear about the mercury scare today?
<2> hax, nope
<3> Polysics: some examples of things I've added are scrolling the window with Ctrl+Up/Down, when you press Up/Down it moves the cursor Up/Down based on what you see on the screen, not the lines in the file (so it's more like a regular text editor) .. no damn PC speaker beeps
<1> set expandtab
<1> ****s ;)
<5> Zeros: some dudes leaked a few ounces of mercury in a subway today
<5> Zeros: took something like 6 hours for them to clean it up
<5> Zeros: its on cnn now if you wanna see
<0> what i hope is that one day people realize there's no point in killing each other
<3> ben_m: shall we start a war about tab spacing and whether spaces or tabs should be used ? heh
<1> Tabs of course :p
<2> hax, oh, heh.
<3> 3 spaces of course
<2> tabs!
<5> Zeros: its pretty crazy
<2> ;)
<0> tabs shown as 4 spaces!
<3> actually, I very much like the concept of tabs, but I find them very annoying as they screw with a lot of console commands, editors and browsers
<5> Zeros: apparently mercury + common household cleaners == deadly gas
<5> Zeros: or so cnn reports
<2> hax, yeah. I'm not sure about biological warfare. maybe...
<3> whereas spaces are always displayed correctly everywhere
<3> Vim makes it easy to convert back and forth anyhow
<1> Samus_Aran you know how easily tabs are converted to spaces?
<0> me + canned beans i had to survive on for some time = about same results :-)
<3> :retab
<1> the reverse case isn't that easy :)
<1> ye.
<1> Still annoying to set all those space settings
<1> ;D
<3> ben_m: it can go the other way as well, I tried it once. you just need to specify how many spaces are to be converted to one tab
<2> hax, interestingly the US military already has missiles capable of irradiating an entire town, killing anything living and leaving all structures intact.
<5> Zeros: thats pretty awesome
<5> Zeros: minus the death and all
<3> hax: I wouldn't exactly call that awsome
<6> freakin crap
<5> Samus_Aran: in the sense that it induces awe, it is :P
<0> call me a stupid idealist, but i find war such a barbaric thing...
<5> yeah, war is not awesome
<5> weapons of war would be really cool if they had a legitimate use
<0> just go read what Einstein has said about war
<2> the technological aspect of some things are really awe inspiring. Like hax said, minus the death.
<0> it changed my outlook forever
<3> what I think is quite awful is how many *tonnes* of toxic waste is being spread around by the weapons produced by Lockheed Martin. most of the United States' larger weapons contain sizeable amounts of uranium byproducts .. which will be with us for the next 100 billion years or so
<0> well, what has to be said is that almost ANYTHING has been invented for war first
<0> seems like the only time we can get people to agree on anything is when there's someone else to kill
<3> "look, this microwave transmitter makes me warm when I stand in front of it .. ooh, let's make it smaller and heat food with it"
<4> Polysics: ploughs?
<0> "or bigger, and fry those towelheads with it, they're not people anyway" :-(
<6> Sigh... noone will know the answer to this'
<6> setting up ruby on rails on ispconfig?
<3> did y'all hear about the new weapon the US built for crowd control ? it uses some sort of radiation beam to rapidly heat the cells in the skin, causing excruciating pain and burn reflexes, without permanently burning the skin
<0> Windrose, plough itself, no, but the steel used was probably noticed because high carbon iron was better
<2> Polysics, My favorite Einstein quote was: "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
<6> oh yeah. the "get the f*** out" weapon
<0> Samus_Aran, yeah, heard of that
<3> they claim it has no lasting effects, but I doubt that. even cellphones cause cells to go cancerous
<6> it like boils your skin almost or something
<2> Samus_Aran, nope
<0> my point is: WHY do they think they need a weapon that is BLATANTLY built to control internal crowds more than external enemies?
<2> Samus_Aran, My sister worked for the FDA. They spent years and years trying to give rats cancer that way and couldn't do it. Power lines and cell phones causing cancer is a myth.
<5> Samus_Aran: everything causes cancer
<0> being alive is the leading cause of death, i hear
<4> Zeros: yes, well, there are still discussions on that topic.
<2> Windrose, indeed.
<7> i'm glad that i don't have a cellphone
<3> Zeros: there is a nice cl*** action lawsuit going on right now. it's going to have the same result as the tobbaco companies "smoking isn't harmful" cl*** action suit
<5> i think my tv has a better chance of giving me cancer than my cell phone
<3> Zeros: I have read plenty of research on both sides of the cellphones and cancer thing
<7> i'm glad that i don't watch tv.
<0> go read "The Republican War on Science", it's enlightening about how science nowadays is funded by private enterprises, and thus HAS to find whatever the funcer expect
<4> Zeros: ... which is why the manufacturers still supply a SAR value with the phones.
<3> Zeros: we'll know one way or the other in the next ten years. either there will be hundreds and hundreds of thousands of cases of cancer, or there won't
<2> Samus_Aran, I doubt it. Cell phones cannot be proven to be that dangerous right now, smoking can.
<0> what i am REALLY worried abotu is creutzfeld-jakobs
<3> the problem is that wireless hotspots are the same thing, so if it is dangerous to your cells .. we're all ****ed just by going for a walk to the coffee shop
<0> aka. mad cow
<2> The suit will like just get settled out of court, or the people filing it will run out of money when the cell companies bring in the big guns
<2> likely*
<5> well, i live in jersey
<1> lol, vim has built in encryption
<5> so i dont have to worry about cell phone cancer
<4> Samus_Aran: not QUITE the same thing, no. Unless you rest your head on the Wifi transmitter.
<1> although pretty simple :>
<3> Zeros: it took 50 years to "prove" that smoking caused any health problems, and that's a mix of thousands of toxic chemicals.
<0> Samus_Aran, ***uming they are dangerous, the cell phones are much nearer
<3> Polysics: almost every new device comes with wireless built in ..
<5> Samus_Aran: smoking doesnt cause cancer
<5> Samus_Aran: smoking cigarettes causes cancer :P
<4> Samus_Aran: what SORT of device, and do you rest it against your skull?
<2> Samus_Aran, Eh, that's different though. We know smoke inhalation causes health issues.
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