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<0> uh, on the more expensive plans it says cgi libarys
<0> but the cheap one it doesnt
<0> so am i ***uming there is no php included with the cheap one?
<1> They probably mean providing prebuilt junk.
<1> Generally hosts that offer PHP mention it specifically.
<1> riczho: Because they fail to sufficiently automate the process.
<2> Wow.
<3> mattmcc: hahahah
<3> couldn't have said it any better
<2> Maybe that's why they also force the subdomain documentroots to be in the normal documentroot.
<0> yeah, but wtf isi hosting without php support
<0> ;\
<1> "Progress"
<4> mattmcc, heh, that's not the reason. creating artificial scarcity as an incentive to 'upgrade' plans is the reason for most of those lame restrictions.
<1> Artificial scarcity, in the eyes of people who don't know how web servers work? :)
<2> Heh.
<3> mattmcc: see, when the tubes get filled...
<4> mattmcc, how many people know that a virtual host is just ~4-10 lines of text? not many.
<1> hax: Touche.
<1> zcat: Dude. Wildcard virtualhosting. Point *.example.com to /var/www/example.com/domains/* and a new virtualhost is just a DNS record. ;)
<4> mattmcc, i do that I my personal domain, but it can play havoc with subdomained email.
<5> site5 is a good host. has lots of PHP features. shell access. rails. really cheap. slightly incompetent support though, but it's worth it.
<2> Hm.
<1> I gave up on shared hosting and just bought some colo space in December. 1U for $70/mo, split with a couple friends.
<2> Aha.
<4> i gave up when VPSs became viable a couple years ago. all of the power of a dedicated server, but much cheaper because of resource efficiency
<6> PHP is available with 1&1 Linux Business and Developer hosting packages, as well as
<6> all Root and Managed Servers.
<6> there goes my answer
<2> Weird, I saw PHP in the "beginner" package or whatever.
<2> Anyway, I still hate 1and1.
<4> 3 nanoname's in here? heh
<6> but dont you get more control with dedicated servers?
<4> 'nano' is also my fedora box's hostname
<6> were popular ; )
<6> SSH Access Yes
<6> site5 looks pretty good
<6> a little more expensive, and no free domain, but i like
<6> i think im gonna go with hi5
<6> site5*
<7> hey, know of a way to render a webpage to png or jpg, automatically, like with the gecko engine?
<5> sure, dedicated servers / vps's are more cost efficient and give you more flexibility if that's what you need, but personally my clients need good support and control panels, so i'd rather not take the burden of being a middle-man :)
<5> i'd love to see a well-organised cooperative web host where web developers shared the role of support
<4> napkin, burden? you mean billable hours. (and you can install controlpanels yourself if you want)
<6> i mean site5 is good, but godaddy is cheaper and comes with a free domain ; )
<5> zcat, sure, if you're interested in going into that business. but i run a design company, not a web hosting company. i figure it's all-or-nothing when you can get the kind of features/support at places like site5 for such a cheap price. why would i bill my clients when i know they can get a lot more for cheaper? i don't like capitalizing on that sort of thing
<5> regarding a good network synchronization utility, krusader is really awesome!
<8> why do people not like to talk about technical/work stuff at lunch?
<6> well thats obvious
<9> Any ideas on how to get foo and bar aligned with <li>foo</li> and <li><a href=bar>bar</a></li>, where <a> has padding-left: 10px; (required for :hover background color switching to work properly)?
<8> nanotec: I don't see how it's obvious
<9> Any other way to extend a on the left side of the text would work too, of course.
<6> why bring your work home with you when you dont have to?
<9> (but I wouldn't want to use s for layout)
<8> nanotec: seems to me that only people that don't like their work would feel that way
<6> well there you go : )
<8> ok... if you don't like work, you can go do work you do like
<6> and make dirt $?
<6> or maybe you did like it before it became work,a nd once it was work...
<8> hmmm
<8> ok, then why do people who generally enjoy work not like talking about technical things (highly correlated with work, but not necessarily work)?
<6> im sure that doesnt apply for everyone
<10> Hi. Why don't people like Yahoo for domain registration?
<6> so you would ahve to ask someone who doesnt
<4> bewest, what are you talking about? all of Freenode is about talking about tech
<6> yeah, heh
<10> I'm considering it as an alternative to GoDaddy, which had some horror stories posted about it lately.
<10> the prices are cheap, it's well-known, no horror stories afaik... why don't more people like it?
<6> im just going to charge this lady $50 for her site
<6> tirkal what horror stories have you heard about go daddy?
<10> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/17/1319233
<10> "GoDaddy Holds Domains Hostage"... pretty intimidating :)
<6> hah
<8> slashdot...
<11> http://godaddy****s.com tells it's tale
<11> *its
<11> grr that I can never get that right
<6> well thats differnt
<12> riczho: sorry, SSH access.
<6> if your only doing regular sites.. then you have no worries
<10> yuck, they have that refering to their own domain.
<10> nanotec: it's several domains, some for personal use (homepage), some for a commercial project I'm doing (no BT or SPAM)
<6> then it should be ok
<6> but who knows
<10> some of the horror stories there apply to anyone who was accused of SPAM, even if they weren't involved in it.
<10> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=188762&cid=15554742
<11> since they make money from abuse, it's very easy to see how they take any accusation at face value
<10> exactly, it makes sense. so would it be OK to register with Yahoo instead?
<10> I'm wondering, since they seem to be far less popular than GoDaddy, despite all the scary tales.
<11> finding their registrar terms of service are hard
<11> I'm guessing that's where you'll discover if they're worthwhile
<11> perhaps email them and ask for it
<10> hmmm
<10> _W_: I was interested in experience by other people
<10> invariably when I ask it turns out everyone is on GoDaddy :P
<13> tirkal: personally I prefer dotster.com
<13> been using them for a while now, and am quite satisfied
<13> I hear a lot about godaddy too but mostly because they're slightly cheaper
<13> but I tried dotster first anyway
<13> long before I ever heard of godaddy
<13> and thus far I've had no problems at all
<13> they even take paypal payments for the domains
<13> :)
<14> anyone familiar with unison?
<10> how long have you been with them?
<13> between dotster and zoneedit.com I've had a goodly amount of success
<14> the file syncing tool
<13> do a whois on webdragon.net and see when I first registered
<13> I don't remember
<13> may 13 2002
<10> that's pretty good.
<10> WebDragon: thanks
<13> they email me regularly about interesting stuff
<13> they bug me properly when domain renewal is coming up
<13> not so often it's annoying and not so seldom it gets forgotten
<13> ;)
<13> gadzooks it's hot out
<13> I have three of them running now and it's barely putting a dent in it
<13> it's the humidity that's the killer here.. step outside into the "wall of mug" (as in 'muggy')
<10> three aren't helping? weird.
<10> are you working in some sort of stadium? :)
<11> tirkal, the problem with personal experience is that 90% of people on any registrar that aren't so bad it goes out of buisness, will tell you that everything has worked fine for them
<10> _W_: yeah. that's also true for GoDaddy
<10> of course, the stories sound really bad, but they happened to what.. 0.5% of the customers?
<11> there's thousands and thousands of satisfied GoDaddy customers
<4> GoDaddy's great. Have had dozens of domains hosted there for years. Was at netsol and gandi.net (french) before that.
<10> zcat: why did you leave them?
<4> only downsides are that 1) they try to upsell you on so much crap; 2) switched to IIS; 3) you get military-type spam from the CEO; 4) and SOME ppl hate the old underdog who's now topdog.
<4> tirkal, bad interface mostly
<11> I only do buisness with people I can get to not send me spam under the excuse of "we have a buisness relationship"
<10> _W_: yup, me too (but some of those domains aren't for me)
<10> zcat: what's "military-type" SPAM?
<4> tirkal, the CEO is ex-military so you get a couple emails about it veteran this and that. dont remember the details
<4> tirkal, and i had opted out of all the spam
<10> ah, it's not too bad if you can opt out.
<13> no it's not too bad if you can ACTUALLY opt out
<13> SAYING they'll opt you out without ACTUALLY doing so is not the same thing :)
<10> zcat seems to be implying the later.
<11> didn't seem that way to me
<13> seemed so to me
<11> wait, the double negatives got to me
<13> hehe
<10> pwnd :P
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