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<0> yeah that makes sense
<1> Anyone know of a tool that takes an image and shows how it would look with certain color blindness types?
<2> Nanobat, yep
<2> Nanobat, the best one comes with the IE Accessibility Toolbar
<2> Nanobat, http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/ais/toolbar/
<2> Nanobat, also http://www.vischeck.com/ ... but i dunno how good that is
<1> Hm... any local tool I can use? The toolbar uses a public web service
<1> Also, the greyscale option is messed up. I have pure black and white in one section and it turns it into white on white
<2> Nanobat, um the toolbar includes a non-web service tool
<2> where you pick colors with a color picker to compare them
<2> just putting it in black and white is a lot cruder
<2> AFAIK
<1> I'd like to look at the page as a whole
<2> Nanobat, change your monitor settings?
<2> s/monitor/display/
<3> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/08/22/712830.aspx
<3> oops
<3> wrong channel
<1> index.asplode
<3> heh
<4> has anyone else seen this type of thing: http://www10.asphost4free.com/aspaspx/aspaspx/ee.txt?? <--- i'm getting attack attempts from a similar script coming from a variety of hosts
<5> any idea why this is having no effect ? font-family : "Courier New", "Courier 10 Point", "Courier", "Fixed";
<5> if I put "color : #f00;" on the line after it, the text turns red
<1> You should always have a generic fallback
<1> "Fixed", monospace;
<5> I have all of the fonts listed, but it isn't using any of them
<6> Samus_Aran: do you have the fonts _installed_?
<5> yes, they're installed and work fine on other pages
<5> maybe my browser is broken. *tries in another*
<5> same in Firefox. added the monospace to the end and still no effect. hm. it's not in my default font, either, I think it's being overridden by some other rule
<5> d'oh.
<6> syntax error? :p
<1> Try !important and see if there's any effect
<5> ah yes I remember now, same issue I had before. sigh
<5> .main_content p { ...; } is more important than <p cl***="foo">...</p>
<1> More specific than .foo
<5> now how can I make it work
<1> Be more specific
<1> html .foo
<1> Whatever
<5> that worked, thank you
<5> I don't think that particular mode of specificity makes any sense at all. cl***="foo" on a tag should be a lot more significant
<5> anyhoo. back to my site. thanks again
<7> Can I read GET variables with javascript?
<5> entirely subjective question, which sounds better "Submit Message" or "Send Message" for a contact form ?
<1> You'll have to parse document.location
<5> or something else ..
<2> erudified, GET variables are received on the server.
<7> Nanobat, thanks!
<2> erudified, if your serverside scripting language is JS then yes
<1> Samus_Aran: Specificity has nothing to do with the element. It's about the selector. One cl*** is less specific than a cl*** and an element name
<2> erudified, oh wait i see what you mean
<2> erudified, yeah it might be in document.location
<2> erudified, http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/DOM:window.location
<2> see the search part
<2> dunno what other browsers do
<7> thank you!
<5> anyone else on the "Submit Message" vs. "Send Message" for the tie breaker ? heh
<2> Samus_Aran, who's the audience?
<2> bit difficult without context
<2> i'd lean towards Send Message purely because it's simpler English
<5> webben: the audience is the general public, probably with below average computer abilities.
<5> webben: though Submit is used in non-computer uses as well
<2> yep
<8> why does adding a width to a <div> make it float left?
<6> swimrr: it doesn't
<8> reisio: I just added width: 125px to a div and it moved it left
<6> I hate john melloncamp(sp?) and bruce springsteen so...
<9> Suggestions for "melloncamp": encamp, milliamp, melanoma, melanomas, minicam
<6> swimrr: no it didn't
<8> actually, it was a <p> that I added it to
<6> swimrr: it shrank it
<8> reisio: oh......there ya go
<10> Samus_Aran: 'submit' is perhaps more businesslike, and 'send' "friendlier", just a quick generalising opinion
<5> zendak: well, it's a business that is trying to be friendly, heh. I think I'll go back to Send Message
<10> hehe ok
<11> wtf
<11> it's too quiet
<11> maybe you all died
<12> Ok, I cant get my stupid nav to work
<13> guys, what's the best software for drawing up a logo ?
<2> sh1mmer, Hello!
<11> webben: damn
<13> something free and on linux I guess ..
<2> sh1mmer, did you finish your mammoth list of accessibility blogs?
<11> I was hoping to sneak around and steal everyone's wallets before the mortuary arrived
<11> webben: nah
<2> heh :)
<11> webben: I'm fighting newsgator
<11> I'm getting closer though
<13> I have a logo in mind ... sort of on the ... globe in the center surrounded by people holding hands. Does anyone have any idea where I can look for ideas ?
<14> Something like Ubuntu's?
<13> hmmm
<11> webben: did you see mike's second formcamp post?
<2> sh1mmer, nope
<14> Good logos are typically vector based, so that they can scale cleanly.
<11> isolani
<2> "One interesting way forward is to offer a form design resource that showcases elegant styling of forms - like a forms zen garden. Starting with a correctly structured and semantically descriptive markup - with a few extra styling hooks, and encourage the web standards aware designers to demonstrate their remarkable talents in this most difficult and challenging aspects of web design." sounds like a fun challenge.
<14> Eh. I'm in the "Forms make acceptable tables" camp, because structuring a form well without them is a royal pain.
<14> Particularly when it comes to aligning labels.
<11> webben: I was talking about having a Xcamp in the UK
<11> I love the idea of picking a small part and spending a weekend focusing on that one thing
<11> to come out with a deliverable
<2> sh1mmer, yeah ... that's cool :)
<2> fix the web one tiny bit at a time
<11> right
<11> but I think that's part of the problem is focused worked often doesn't happen
<11> and decision by commity or blog penetration is a bit of a faff
<11> something like <insert problem here> camp could really make a dent in some things
<13> mattmcc: yeah, I quite like the ubuntu one. Not sure it's what I'm after though.
<2> sh1mmer, yes
<12> How do you center text in an li?
<12> I tried vertical-align and padding
<2> sh1mmer, it's a bit like focused academic conferences.
<14> `css text-align
<9> Found for CSS 2 - text-align - http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/text.html#propdef-text-align
<13> It's also protected by copyright and various other stuff I'd imagine
<14> babo: Right, I wasn't suggesting _using_ it, just drawing inspiration. :)
<2> sh1mmer, which come out with a really nailed down vision of a particular subject
<12> Eer, I should have specified that I wanted it vertically centered in the li ;)
<2> sh1mmer, It wasn't meant to be.
<11> ah ok
<14> Academics aren't good at forming consensus, no..
<14> But then, neither is anyone else.
<2> sh1mmer, Well, it's not necessarily a consensus. Perhaps "nailed down" was a poor choice; prefer "multifaceted".
<11> mattmcc: I disagree
<11> :P
<2> mattmcc, Well, it's academics' job not to have a cosy consensus, in a sense.
<13> what's the best open source illustration program out there ? what do you use ?
<2> babo, GIMP ... InkScape
<11> babo: I always liked inkscape
<2> (bitmap vs vector)
<10> babo: some cautious advice-- the people holding hands around the globe theme, and variations, is pretty common. keep that in mind, especially if you're creating a commercial mark. btw, try inkscape for vector graphics, i've used it and it's pretty cool, open source, most platforms
<11> webben: I would ***ume illustration = vector
<10> sh1mmer: oops :)
<2> babo, if you're making an SVG icon use inkscape
<2> everybody else seems to
<2> babo, and even if you're not, you can export to bitmap
<13> OK cool thanks. Yeah, I realize that the holding hands around the globe theme is pretty common.
<13> I'm making a logo for a site that sells international recruitment software. I'm definitely open to ideas of couse ... wink, wink :P
<10> it's a *good* theme for representing a certain idea(l) but if you can find a unique touch it'll be a stronger brand
<2> babo, off the top of my head, how about a depiction of a crowd of people with one person selected in red or something?
<2> or if it's the international aspect that's crucial, I suppose you could cloth them in flags
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