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<0> it's on emacs too
<1> there are four "2.0" stories on digg
<1> this is crazy
<0> what sort of "2.0" stories?
<0> the end of?
<2> seems were due for a minor version bump to 2.1
<3> anyone know whats the difference between a .la and a .a file?
<0> l ?
<4> l
<3> ?
<4> Damn lag :/
<0> :-)
<2> haxL "LA - GNU Libtool Library (GNU Project - Free Software Foundation)", "A - UNIX Library"
<5> I need someone to try this for me: create a html file that uses a javascript file and have it pointed to a php script, in the php script you have session_start() and then echo the javascript, and tell me if IE will parse the javascript file
<2> least thats what google thinks :p
<0> SpotSec, what's the mime-type of the returned php script?
<5> x-javascript
<6> How about text/javascript ?
<5> mattmcc: no go
<5> hmm is there a function in php to delete the http headers in an output buffer?
<6> Output buffers don't contain headers.
<1> grr
<1> i'm not getting my car till tomorrow
<1> 9am
<7> hey, i have a multi-select area on my form, and when i submit the form, it doesn't carry over, any idea why?
<7> <select name="exclude_groups[]" multiple size=10>
<7> </select>
<7> thats how its set up
<8> sludgevohaul: how are you accessing it on the server side?
<7> $_POST['exclude_groups']
<7> but there is no post var named exclude groups
<1> anyone know of a good free project management tool?
<7> my company uses phpcollab
<9> majd, take a look at trac, gforge
<6> majd: There are lots of them. It depends on how complex your needs are.
<7> dunno if thats for project management specifically though
<1> well
<1> basic stuff, just have a public site for my clients
<1> and be able to have todos
<1> set deadlines
<1> just organize myself
<1> i love basecampe
<1> *basecamp
<0> a whiteboard
<1> but it's not free
<7> phpcollab is free, it does all that stuff
<0> you'll save money in the electricity it costs to power your computer from having a whiteboard
<1> lol
<7> so any idea why my select won't show up when i submit my form?
<7> i echo out my $_POST var, and everythings there but my two select fields
<9> sludgevohaul, add an option to your select, then select and submit, print_r($_POST["exclude_groups"]);
<9> also this should be in #php not here
<10> any available designers please msg me, i have some project that i need to finish and extra hand would be nice
<0> sludgevohaul - not without looking at the page - does it have a name?
<7> this is #web...a form is the web
<9> and you are asking how to return the value via php
<7> im asking why its not showing up on the server at all, regardless what language i use
<9> sludgevohaul, if you follow what I said it will work
<7> ok, i'll try
<9> the problem is that you have not added an <option.. to your select and highlighted it then submitted the form
<9> hence the value is not being returned
<7> is there a way to make everything in the select get submitted, even if its not selected? probably not, huh?
<11> sludgevohaul: No
<7> damn
<7> i suppose when something is added to the multi-select, i could add it to a hidden var too, and then it would get p***ed
<6> Or, since the server generated the select's options in the first place, it stands to reason the server can get that list again.
<6> Unless the client is dynamically adding options.
<7> they're dynamically adding options
<6> If they dynamically add an option that they unselect, do you care about that option? :)
<7> well theres a master list, and then they select from that to add to the list they want...both are multi-selects, so if its in the one multiselect, regardless of if its selected or not, it should get p***ed
<9> if you want every option in the multiple select to be selected on enter use 'select="selected" on the option
<7> i could probably select all using javascript right before the submit
<9> using multiple select is dangerous though as unless they hold down shift values will be unselected
<9> safer to use checkboxes imo
<9> shift or ctrl one of the other
<7> yeah, but the list is a bit too long for checkboxes...javascript will work to select them all when they submit, right?
<12> what are the pros and cons to building sites using flash? anyone have any thoughts?
<9> sludgevohaul, why not make them selected on enter by using select="selected" as I suggested?
<7> because then the user might unselect them
<9> eh yeah, why are you giving them an option then ?
<9> I'm confused what you are trying to achieve
<7> well they have the option to move from one list to the other...
<9> sludgevohaul, I think to get any further you will need to put a demo of what you are trying to achieve
<7> so if its in their list, they shouldn't have to select it again, they've already selected it by moving it to their list
<9> sludgevohaul, sounds like your overcomplicating matters
<13> Provito: 'select="selected"'?
<9> yes
<7> well its just two multi-selects, one with what they can choose, and one with what they've chosen...if its in the list of things they've chosen, it should get submitted, so i let them move it to the list, and then i submit that whole list
<9> Windrose, eh no
<9> Windrose, "selected='selected'
<9> if you using xhtml, just add selected if not
<13> Provito: that does look more correct, yes. For XHTML, mind.
<9> Windrose, typo my end sorry
<14> Uh, stupid question: is <small> deprecated?
<11> technel: I don't think so, but it is presentational and should be avoided
<11> `html small
<15> Found for HTML 4.01 - small - http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/graphics.html#edef-SMALL
<14> Dorward, thanks
<1> should i have my webserver on linux or mac?
<6> Do you already have a suitable mac or linux server?
<16> majd: linux or bsd
<1> mattmcc, i have a pc and an imace
<1> *imac
<1> i have ubuntu on my pc
<16> so?
<1> reisio, is there a reason?
<1> it just seems easier to set it up on a ma
<1> c
<6> Is this just for local development use?
<16> majd: erm, well, BSDs have been running servers since the dawn of time
<16> Mac OS is sort of a corrupted BSD
<16> but some would say they're less popular and odd, so there's Linux - they're really fairly equivalent
<12> any thoughts on flash vs html pages?
<17> swimrr: depends on the individual case
<16> swimrr: go to macromedia.com, look at how sparesely they use Flash
<12> I'm not a big flash fan
<16> neither are they
<16> should tell you something
<17> swimrr: so why do you ask?
<12> just curious - wondering if I should learn it better
<17> swimrr: good for jobs to be able to say you know flash
<0> learn everything
<0> but learn it to solve a problem you have
<12> lol - fair enough
<0> not for any other reason
<12> you can do just as much with html and css can't ya? mostly?
<17> not really
<17> you can do different things
<17> and html/css is probably a better choice for the majority of current web content
<17> - and in fact it *is* the choice for the majority of current web content :)
<17> or at least, it's a bigger choice than flash
<17> i wonder how much of current web content is actually PDF
<17> or XML
<16> I say learn everything
<16> so you can know everything and rule the world
<16> but really, Flash is proprietary
<17> yes ... it's all grist to the mill of global domination ;)
<1> back
<1> my bad
<16> you may be wasting your time by learning it
<1> mattmcc, public apache server
<1> that i can host some of my projects on
<16> of course if you get paid for making Flash _now_ you may not care if you don't _later_
<1> but mainly just local dev
<1> across my lan
<1> and if i ever need to do any dev work remotely
<18> i generally ignore all flash sites
<16> :)
<18> especially "artists" that publish only in flash
<17> i think the major reason for learning something when you need it (as JibberJim was suggesting) is that things change so fast in this industry
<17> and there's always something to learn to make your current game better
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