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<0> browsershots.com
<0> .org
<0> also works
<1> WalkingBoy, yes if you run it inside vmware, you could try to use wine but unlikely to work properly
<2> IE6 can be badgered into running under WINE
<2> SP1, that is.
<3> right... ok
<4> i use vmware to test at work
<1> yes, but better to test in a proper windows environment
<1> fonts etc may be screwy under wine
<3> sounds like my afternoon will be fun fun fun
<4> although it's slow as hell
<1> gxti, I like vmware works pretty well, I'm also using parallells on the mac
<4> and i have an urge to beat myself with blunt objects while waiting for things to page in
<1> on my mac I can then run windows, linux and osx on the same machine
<4> id rather just get a testing box :|
<1> lots of lovely browsers to test in
<3> Provito: sounds like a good set up :)
<1> yes its nice, you can resume all the virtual machines and fire them up when you need to test them
<3> my testing box is my wife's laptop and she's getting narked with me keep interupting :)
<1> just stick on vnc then control the mouse magically
<1> that'll freak her!
<3> hehe
<3> :D
<5> Huvet: thanks for the link, sorry I didn't respond straight away, I was on the phone.
<5> VMware is beautiful, btw :)
<5> Wow, I like the psuedo-blend on that design-by-fire site.
<6> hmmm
<6> i'm never up this early
<5> Maybe you should return to bed then?
<6> i'm just wondering if you guys are regulars that i'm unawawre of
<6> *unaware
<6> or what the deal is
<6> heh
<5> I'm here most weekdays.
<5> During GMT working hours.
<6> weird
<6> lol
<3> i am a newbie :)
<6> word
<6> okay, i gotta fix this acts_as_list code
<3> well new here
<7> WalkingBoy: I've seen a number of screenshots of various versions of IE running under Wine
<3> right - maybe i need to take the time and get it installed
<6> does wine run on osx yet?
<7> I'd continue asking around, I'm as yet undecided on the wine/vmware question
<7> is vmware as free as wine is ?
<5> VMware server is, I think.
<8> WebDragon: no, but better ;)
<5> No sure.
<7> what's the cost on vmware ?
<6> WebDragon: vmware is less free, but still free as in beer
<5> VMware server is free, AFAIK.
<6> atleast, these days it is
<6> no, vmware player is though
<5> VMware player doesn't let you do anything other than play ready-crafted VMware files though.
<5> No good unless you've got the OS pre-made.
<6> anyone here use json?
<7> how much good vmware server will do me is a mystery considering I only need it to run IE and that only to proof existing work on localhost/ :)
<6> WebDragon: you can get vmware player and steal a windows image
<6> heh
<7> there's already rpms for wine in the fedora-extras repo but I've not got any tuits to go configuring the dang thing at the moment
<6> WebDragon: or follow one of the many vmware player hacks to do your own windows install
<3> there's something nice about the command: yum install wine
<7> provided it works properly ;)
<7> (after installing, I mean)
<3> now i am thinking about shiraz!
<4> then you wake up and realize you're using a crappy distro.
<3> gxti: what distro are you using?
<4> gentoo and foresight
<3> right...
<4> yes.
<6> anyone get what this json thing is about?
<7> friday the thirteenth?
<4> hax: what about it/
<5> hax: No idea, but I'm reading up on it now :)
<4> it's rediculously simple
<4> your server-side scripting formats data as javascript data structures and p***es it in
<6> gxti: i don't get it
<4> that's it
<5> btw... Ubuntu ftw :P
<4> it can be p***ed with the page, and/or thru AJAX calls
<4> JSON looks like [{'foo': 'bar', 'baz': 'bork'}, 1, 2, 3, 4]
<5> Why is that needed?
<4> p***ing data structures, obviously
<4> usually for fancy javascript applications
<6> gxti: so... i think the idea is you do foo = json_string
<4> if you have json in a string, you have to eval() it
<6> gxti: and then you magically have a js object
<4> usually you insert into code directly
<6> ah, ok
<9> mmmm....magic
<4> like <script ...> json_crap = <?php return_json_crap(); ?> </script>
<4> so when you look at the source of the page
<5> Who the hell hit Last.fm with the 2.0 stick?
<4> you see <script ...> json_crap = [][s][]32[532paklfd]; </script>
<4> Blue9: last.fm has always been 2.0ish
<4> now it just looks the part
<4> i hate it :|
<5> I'm not impressed.
<4> anyway, back to work
<5> They're dropping Audioscrobbler aren't they?
<4> Blue9: last.fm /is/ audioscrobbler
<5> Yeah, the protocol that updates the site.
<5> They've replaced the whole thing with a shiney new application.
<10> Does anyone know if this logo has already been used by someone: http://nanobox.chipx86.com/xfer/2006-07-17/logo.png
<10> I designed it, but it looks awfully familiar
<5> It does look familar.
<5> I can't place where though.
<5> Use it and see if you get a cease and desist ;)
<6> gxti: say, this json thing *is* neat
<5> I concur, Hax :)
<5> It's rather spiffy.
<6> i wonder what kind of support rails has
<10> Hm... it sort of reminds me of the H2G2 logo, but it's quite different enough
<5> I really need to play with Ruby on rails.
<5> But that means fixing my web server or finding a new host.
<6> Blue9: it's pretty impressive for sure
<5> I did try pure ruby a few years ago, but never went any further with it.
<5> I was too caught up in Perl/CGI stuff at the time.
<6> yeah
<6> ruby is ***y
<6> i have some issues with the rails framework
<6> but overall, i'd give it a positive
<6> i feel like i can definitely adapt it to my style
<6> but i'm still new to the whole js thing
<6> so... i'm not entirely sure what my style is yet
<6> heh
<5> It's in the spotlight now, so I'd ***ume it'll fix up as it goes.
<5> Like PHP
<5> or MySQL :P
<5> Mind you, I still think Perl > PHP and Postgres > MySQL
<6> gxti: so... say i'm returning an xhr... how exactly do i send the json?
<6> Blue9: the problem is that it's so 2.0 some basic things are lacking
<6> Blue9: if you ***ume that working in xhtml with text/html and javascript enabled is okay...
<6> then it's okay
<6> heh
<6> but as soon as you want to write more accessible code
<6> things get real confusing
<6> AR > DBI
<7> AR?
<7> Arkansas?
<6> activerecord
<6> ruby thing
<5> Pfft.
<5> DBI > *
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