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<0> hax: it sounds representative of general developer knowledge of markup
<1> webben: indeed
<0> hax: if you look at how web frameworks are developed
<1> webben: but wtf does that make us then?
<2> `Mace, either by separating them with a semi-colon, or more flexible calling them from another function
<1> webben: i don't think we really qualify as 'experts'
<0> these guys are often technically excellent, but they don't read the specs for markup
<0> it's why web frameworks tend to ****
<1> webben: some of the new ones are more okay
<3> because only newbies use web frameworks? :p
<4> last I checked (admittedly its been a couple months) it was still less then 50% of the net on highspeed
<5> Zeros: that sounds pretty good, i will give it a try to see if it works, thanx for the help
<3> or lazy people
<1> webben: btw, this was the recommended book on amazon: 'http://www.amazon.com/Computer-Networks-Internets-Fourth-Douglas/dp/0131433512/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b/104-8123088-9075113?ie=UTF8'
<3> or people that don't care
<1> webben: now there's a title i like
<3> Internet*s*! hah
<2> oh yeah
<3> the internets is a series of tubes
<1> exactly
<2> I've got this kick *** Internets Framework
<1> lol
<0> reisio: no, because the effects of unsemantic markup on business process has so far been largely invisible
<2> its called Tubes
<6> reisio: um. Any problem with 'internets'? ;)
<2> rails be damned, we've got tubes!
<3> webben: dunno what you're talking about :p
<3> Windrose: no, they probably use it properly
<3> it just reminds me of the funny quote
<3> from stevens or whoever
<0> reisio: I mean. These developers don't get fired when JSF fails to validate.
<0> (or whatever)
<6> reisio: they do indeed. Quite likely that book discusses internets ... which will drive some people up the walls.
<3> webben: I don't know what your point is :/
<0> reisio: That's because few businesses recognize semantic markup as important.
<1> Windrose: i'm gonna snap :P
<0> reisio: I'm just saying it's nothing particularly to do with laziness or newbieness.
<0> There's nothing newbie-friendly about JSF.
<2> Windrose, there is only one Internet, there are many internets
<3> webben: use of web frameworks?
<0> reisio: yeah
<3> webben: it's more friendly than making your own
<0> reisio: depends on the project
<2> Windrose, its not that hard to grasp the proper name vs. the network type idea :P
<3> well of course
<0> reisio: and depends what sort of markup you want
<3> but you can say that for just about any claim
<7> Zeros worked a charm thx
<3> which makes making claims pointless around you :p
<0> reisio: then don't generalize!
<0> ;)
<6> Zeros: indeed. Except, of course, for in titles.
<3> everybody else knows it's a generalization :p
<3> you're the oddball :p
<2> Windrose, ah yeah, I can see where that would be a problem.
<3> I have to eat pizza, we can finish this later :)
<4> I will return another time. Tal all and thank you for the help
<2> hax, aww, but I have no where to put another internet!
<2> I'd certainly not complain if they ran an Internet2 backbone through my house though...
<1> Zeros: heh
<1> Zeros: i'm seriously so pissed
<1> heh
<2> why's that?
<1> Zeros: just this nonsense i have to deal weith
<1> and more specifically, how i don't know how to deal with it effeciently
<1> that's what the real problem is
<2> Well the goal of a college course is to learn something hax, regardless of problems in the course materials.
<2> hax, Don't spite the professor and get C of course because you think they don't know jack. :P
<1> Zeros: i'm not spiting the professor
<1> Zeros: i thought what i said was good
<2> :)
<1> Zeros: but outside of the cl***, i'm pretty damn angry
<1> heh
<2> :P
<2> who knows, maybe they'll buy a better book next year
<1> heh
<2> and then the book you had to buy will be worthless; similar to flushing $80 down the toilet
<1> indeed
<1> i think the toilet + money would be more rewarding
<2> hah
<2> well I've got to run, try not to get too frustrated. :)
<1> hah, ok
<1> ty
<8> if i have to use perl to parse a text list of hostnames, run a dig on each hostname then try to telnet on port 80 to each hostname - can i do that without any special perl modules?
<9> rjm: yes.
<1> rjm: very yes
<1> rjm: hell, you could do it with bash
<8> thanks
<10> hey all, anyone up on the current state of controlling load order of page elements at all? :)
<1> you don't
<1> well, mostly
<1> yo mattmcc
<11> hi all
<11> can anyone recommend some nice dhtml dropdown menu replacement. I need icons in it
<10> well except there are those random big sites revolving around ads and impressions where you totally see all their ad content load first, then navigation, then the actual content at the end
<1> http://wii.nintendo.com/software_warioware.html
<1> hahahah
<12> `css width
<13> Found for CSS 2 - width - http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visudet.html#propdef-width
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