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<0> W_work: you mean you do something equivalent with completely different markup (+ scripts in some cases)
<1> webben: that's just a rehash of html3
<1> Not bad, but definetly not new.
<0> W_work: yeah i don't think it's a parallel
<2> I just used your exact words to describe it
<2> and you still don't see the parallel
<0> W_work: That's right. That's because my words imperfectly captured exactly what I meant.
<0> W_work: It's not your fault. :)
<0> W_work: Microformats are about a consistent convention of naming.
<2> all standards are
<0> W_work: well sure, but they're about lots of other things to
<0> s/to/too
<0> whereas microformats work in the undefined areas of existing markup
<0> just like the text inside the markup
<0> So if I write 04/09/2006 in my text
<0> I've just used a microformat.
<0> (not one of the ones from microformats.org)
<0> but nonetheless it's clearly a microformat.
<3> Hi. I'm shopping for a friend who needs a new web host for their site. She still uses frontpage, .asp with ODBC connections to Acess databases. Any suggestions?
<4> most windows hosts that support access database and global should be fine. (since frontpage ues that damng global file) but a lot of hosts disallow that.
<3> global.asa. oh yeah I remember that now..
<0> It's not, however, a microformat that is convenient for processing.
<0> Whereas most of those I've seen from microformats.org or for that matter Dublin Core metadata are.
<4> nomad411 you should introduce her to web dev express and asp.net 2.0. She could still use her access database and most simple data display are drag-drop :)
<3> Oh she's not technical at al, it's for a small non-profit
<4> ahh
<3> I am a php/mysql guy, so I have no clue about the Microsoft side of things, short of those old ways with frontpage that she uses :(
<5> she?
<5> boobies?
<3> I can look into that I guess. is any software needed?
<0> Windrose: how about datalist ... that seems new to HTML AFAIK.
<0> http://www.w3.org/TR/web-forms-2/#the-datalist
<1> webben: hang on. Trying to understand what in blazes it is meant to be.
<6> anyone know how to write a simple AJAX File Upload control, can be IE6/7 specific, now that ADODB.Stream is gone?
<1> webben: never seen it before, no.
<7> Odyss3us: It's impossible
<0> Windrose: basically Google select only with markup I think
<3> element43, is Web Dev Express free? It looks like something that one of her younger staff coudl learn
<7> js doesn't have that kind of permissions (thank god)
<1> webben: 'Google select'?
<3> I'm on a mac right now so I can't test it
<6> you sure?
<0> stupid me
<0> sorry
<0> Windrose: Google *suggest*
<1> webben: right. 'Google suggest'?
<7> am I sure that js can't read from disk? 100%
<1> Oh, that dropdown thing they are doing ... *nods*
<0> Windrose: that's the one
<0> currently entirely reliant on Ajax
<8> is anyone familiar with the atom 1.0 format and can give me/point me to an example that demonstrates the use of the atom:category element?
<6> http://php5.bluga.net/UploadProgressMeter/demo.php <-- then how does that work?
<6> just tested it on IE6, supposedly works on FF too
<6> yahoo has something that does this
<4> nomad411 yes it is free
<9> swimrr>can someone tell me why the div starting on line 20 is inline with the previous divs and how I them go below? http://pastebin.ca/170338
<9> or, more generally, how can I have two parent divs, both with child divs floated left inside, that behave like block elements and fall below each other?
<10> Odyss3us: i'm using iframes to do the upload, i expect it to work in IE, but i haven't tested it yet
<7> yeah
<0> Windrose: there's also this: http://www.w3.org/TR/web-forms-2/#fetching-data
<0> for populating the datalist
<7> and the server side script sends data like how much it's read back to the client
<0> Windrose: the Web Applications 1.0 spec is a bit of a mess atm (i think they're reorganizing it)
<0> but there are plenty of news things in there currently
<0> e.g. hCard (http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#scs-business); datagrid (http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#scs-the)
<0> application menus (http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-menu)
<0> there's also some more worrying stuff, such as http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#scs-client-side
<10> hcard is a win
<0> http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2006-August/007171.html for possible serious security issues with that part of the proposal
<0> (I simply don't know enough to evaluate those however.)
<0> blergh. I really hate how online computer reviews are so busy selling stuff that they're ads make it so difficult to find reviews
<11> Hi
<5> 'lo Aar0n444
<12> webben: Ahh, adblock ;)
<0> Dorward: I don't mind seeing the ads ... it's the false positives and lack of detail that bug me.
<0> (False positives on google i mean)
<12> webben: Ahhh, yes. That's annoying.
<5> card? :/
<11> Anyone?
<5> WHATWG makes it obvious why HTML should be abandoned
<5> trying to make a new element for every thing under the sun
<5> Aar0n444: anyone what?
<5> Windrose++
<11> Which design you prefer out of those
<5> Aar0n444: 'those' what?
<11> Those design links I pasted.
<11> Can you which of these two colour schemes you prefer: http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9272/02greybluefu2.jpg and http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7813/04medredxg0.jpg
<5> Aar0n444: hrmmm, I prefer the one that doesn't make me feel like I'm in hell
<0> reisio: eh, abandoned in favour of what?
<11> Which ones is that then reisio?
<11> *one
<5> webben: XHTML, etc.
<5> Aar0n444: the blue one
<0> reisio: You do realize that WHATWG are proposing to extend XHTML too don't you?
<0> reisio: and that using XHTML rather than HTML does not mean you don't have elements for everything under the sun
<5> that's a separate goofy matter
<11> Thanks
<0> (have you seen XForms SVG MathML etc.)
<1> reisio: what does it matter? The W3C has decided to let anyone extend anything everywhere.
<5> webben: yeah
<5> Windrose: :/ don't say that
<5> today must be a happy day :p
<0> reisio: and WHATWG is doing some things very similar to XHTML2
<0> e.g. http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-list.html#sec_11.2.
<5> well that's _even more retarded_ :p
<0> and Web Forms 2.0 is very much designed to be a sort of an implemented/backwards compatible Xforms
<0> reisio: I'm not saying do something like XHTML2 is automatically good; just that the dichotomy you drew between html and xhtml doesn't make any sense to me
<13> is there some sort of way I can have a cgi process a file and then determine that the call was bogus (invalid pathinfo) and then p*** it back to the web server to treat as a 404? ie maybe a header line I can p*** back? I utilize a custom 404 handler anyway via htaccess, so I need that called, whatever it may be
<5> webben: XHTML has more provisions for extensibility afaik
<5> so if you need a silly <card> element, you can have it
<5> without bloating the spec
<0> reisio: meh, not really
<5> yes really :p
<0> reisio: maybe through the role attribute
<1> reisio: and without it having any purpose, of course.
<0> reisio: but if you read the small print, then most such extensions are no longer XHTML
<0> they are XHTML+some other markup language
<5> I'd rather a tiny spec that's extensible than endless predetermined items
<0> reisio: isn't that called XML?
<0> very tiny spec
<0> infinitely extensible
<5> isn't XHTML more like XML than HTML?
<0> very little predetermined
<0> reisio: er.. no XHTML *is* an XML markup language and HTML *isn't*.
<1> reisio: XHTML is an application of XML like HTML is - theoretically- an application of SGML.
<5> webben: that's what I'm saying :p
<0> reisio: Well, they are both applications of SGML.
<1> webben: no, they are not.
<5> listen
<0> Windrose: XML is defined in terms of SGML.
<5> I'm not interested in every msg becoming a new argument for someone to ***ert their knowledge
<1> webben: no. XML is a subset OF SGML. It isn't defined IN SGML.
<5> if you want to talk about what we were initially talking about fine
<0> Windrose: Then how can you have an "SGML Declaration for XML" ?
<1> webben: because they use many of the same terms and concepts.
<0> Windrose: In any case even if XML is only a subset of SGML, then XHTML is still an application of SGML.
<0> "XML is designed to be a subset of SGML, in that every XML document should also be a conforming SGML document."
<0> http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#sec-xml-and-sgml
<0> Now perhaps conformant XHTML requires things that cannot be expressed with SGML, but then so does HTML.
<0> "XML allows only documents that use the SGML declaration in this note."
<0> http://www.w3.org/TR/NOTE-sgml-xml-971215
<0> That would seem to show that an XHTML document is also an SGML document.
<14> self.location = 'products.php?ctype=in_ctype&remCat=in_cat'
<14> in_ctype and in_cat are variables and that's javascript.. And obviously it's wrong.. What should I do instead?
<14> How do I tell it to use the corresponding values rather than the literal string 'in_ctype' =
<14> ?
<14> The variables are taken as script parameters
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