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<0> Zeros: in case you hadn't noticed all those "WHERE ARE YOU" msgs
<0> lol
<1> haha, yeah i noticed
<0> Zeros: oh, this makes sense
<0> because UUID is a server thing
<0> duh
<0> not based on the host at all
<1> remember a UUID is only semi-unique too. While its statistically improbable that you could get two keys that are the same, its still possible in theory
<0> Zeros: unconcerned
<0> heh
<1> hehe, just a bit of theory, the chance that two would be the same is _extremely_ remote
<0> Zeros: any idea how i install uuid into vendor/ with rails? as opposed to a gem?
<1> um what's vendor/ ?
<1> you just want to place the cl*** file in the path?
<0> Zeros: ehh, **** it, nvm
<1> you could just download it: http://rubyforge.org/projects/reliable-msg/
<1> (the uuid package is at the bottom of the download list)
<0> yeah
<0> i got it
<1> :)
<0> Zeros: is guid portable?
<0> like if i make guid on one box
<0> is it equally improbable to get the same guid on another?
<2> anyone in here have an opinion on Rails?
<0> Ocoth: yeah
<1> hax, its more likely to get the same one the more machines you use, still very very improbable
<0> Ocoth: i can start spewing propaganda now if you'd like
<2> yes
<0> Zeros: gotcha
<2> good
<2> go
<2> everyone
<2> spew it :P
<0> Ocoth: it's amazing, use it
<0> Ocoth: it leaves you open to be an amazing programmer
<0> Ocoth: and makes it inconvenient to do things wrongly
<0> Ocoth: it's fairly quick, although the learning curve is a bit steep
<1> ActiveRecord also makes it much harder to do a database injection without a fair amount of work
<0> Ocoth: and it makes multiple views easy... so you can do rss/atom/javascript/html all from the same controller code
<2> looks odd
<2> to me
<0> Ocoth: it's been very good for me so far
<1> Ocoth, what about it looks odd? :)
<0> Ocoth: but there's a lot i would have done different had i known it before i started
<2> Zeros looks like it has so much control in it
<2> and not left to developers
<1> though I suppose I'm not quite a rails person persay, I'm more a rubyist I guess :q
<0> Ocoth: EVERYTHING is left to the developer
<0> Ocoth: you can literally change anything
<1> Ocoth, ruby is as flexible as you want it to be, you can redefine what a core rails cl*** is with very little work
<1> I'd not recommend it as it'll make updating a PITA, but you can do it if you want :)
<0> Ocoth: it just has a lot of sane defaults
<0> Zeros: dammit this guid thing is broked
<2> coming from an environment where I have defined so much myself
<2> it would be weird where it is just all there.
<1> hax, O_o
<1> guid or uuid?
<0> oh
<0> good call
<0> hah
<3> Strangely enough, digg isn't my #1 referrer from the last two weeks
<3> www.christinaricci.info is still #1
<0> Zeros: that explains all of my difficulty
<3> Although I'm sure that'll change in the next couple days and the digg referrals gain influence over the two-week period
<0> lolol Nanobot
<0> Nanobot: what web stats thing do you use?
<3> hax: A home-made system
<0> Nanobot: is it filled with win and awesome?
<3> It is funkmaster 3000
<0> sweet
<0> Zeros: Attempting remote installation of 'uuid'
<0> Successfully installed uuid-1.0.1
<0> irb(main):003:0> require 'uuid'
<0> LoadError: no such file to load -- uuid
<0> wtf!
<1> require_gem 'uuid'
<0> sneaky
<0> Nanobot: can you track one user all around your site?
<3> hax: I could, but I don't. :P
<0> Zeros: nope, still a fail
<3> All of the statistics I take are publicly available here: http://www.webdevout.net/visitor_stats.php
<2> Nanobot do you have an opinion on rails?
<1> hax, um really? did you require ruby gems too?
<3> Ocoth: I haven't tried it out
<0> Zeros: sneaky
<2> Nanobot hmm, that is mine :P
<1> I mean if you're in rails then you have gems already, not true if you're in something like IRB
<0> Zeros: okay, i give up, how do you do it
<0> Zeros: i'm just doing it from irb
<4> Nanobot: how does firefox support the <table> summary attribute?
<3> deadroot: Right-click on a table, click Properties, and see the table summary there
<1> hax, require 'rubygems'; require_gem 'uuid'
<0> dammit
<0> well, that worked
<0> but now more errors
<0> uuid: No UUID state file found, attempting to create one for you:
<0> and more problems
<0> stupid uuid
<4> Nanobot: ah
<4> thanks
<3> If my visitor statistics page somehow got digged, I'd be so screwed. That is a very inefficient page
<1> hax, yeah I see that too
<0> Nanobot: its still loading...
<5> grrr
<0> Zeros: ?
<3> hax: :D
<5> i want to make an icon for every day of the year
<5> that's a lot of icons
<0> Nanobot: is it suppsoed to take this long?
<5> i wonder if there's a way to automate it
<4> Nanobot: still loading too =)
<5> in photoshop
<3> hax: My site in general is slow because it's still suffering the post-digg aftershocks
<3> Normally it comes up pretty quickly
<5> Nanobot, you had a real popular story
<4> Nanobot: did you do any cache handling?
<0> majd: heh
<0> err
<0> Nanobot: heh
<3> Over 1500 diggs
<1> hax, $uuid-setup
<6> Nanobot: What was it?
<5> damn
<0> Nanobot: those are some ***y graphs, how'd you do that?
<1> from a shell hax, the command is "uuid-setup"
<3> deadroot: Yes, I implemented a new cache system I had just written after it got frontpaged
<4> and not a single discussion about webdevout
<3> hax: PHP generates it on-the-fly
<1> might need to use sudo depending on the permissions of the ruby folders
<3> As I said, inefficient :P
<0> Nanobot: gd?
<3> Yeah
<7> cool, someone else here who doesn't hate PHP
<4> caching time! =D
<3> The antialiased lines are drawn pixel-by-pixel
<5> i don't hate php
<0> Nanobot: i'm about to ask you a bunch of questions :)
<2> Rehevkor I don't :P
<0> Zeros: it appears so
<5> hax, what site are you lookin at?
<5> webdevout?
<0> yeah
<7> wow. last time I mentioned PHP in here I had like half a dozen people telling me what a n00b I am for using it
<7> guess the crowd rotates
<2> Rehevkor if those people were human, anything is possible :P
<5> i still think it ****s, but i use it
<5> well
<5> not ****s
<5> but i'd rather not use it
<3> PHP isn't the most efficient language in the world, but I find it really easy to get stuff done
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