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<0> means, this is what all google knows about this site
<1> that's pretty presumptuous imo
<1> and it also doesn't prove much about subpages
<2> yeah, i agree.
<3> hey all any mozilla users in here
<0> it used to have subpages
<0> google cached many pages starting from the index, and searching for site:site.com used to show them
<3> just considering changing my browser opera seems to be using alot of ram
<3> can I have my tabbing like this in mozilla? http://www.alchemy-networks.co.uk/utils/uploads/opera.png
<2> prism: you mean mozilla, or firefox? :)
<3> blind, I meant moz :) original and best
<4> wow, thats an ugly looking browser
<3> blind, might change browser from opera its using 157M resident (0_o)
<2> [agree]
<0> firefox aint ugly =]
<3> is in my eyes :)
<1> prism: yes there are a few extensions for Firefox that can do that
<1> prism: see addons.mozilla.org, look at the tab extensions
<3> reisio, will it use less ram
<1> prism: I doubt it, but...
<4> honestly, I'd expect FF 1.5 to use more RAM
<3> reisio, doubt it? thats no good lol I want it to use less ram
<1> prism: this might help: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/memusage.html
<1> prism: well you never know
<1> Opera is known to use not much RAM, but it apparently doesn't do that for you
<1> so who knows, maybe Firefox will use less for you :p
<1> you could also look into Flock and...
<3> reisio, 28919 alchemy 1 96 0 140M 139M CPU1 0 1:23 3.61% opera
<1> wtf is that other one...it's developed by japs or something
<3> down to 140mb :P
<1> skipstone
<3> reisio, I dont get why it uses so much, it starts ok till I load my tabs up
<1> kazehakase, that was it
<4> prism: that is a lot of tabs you have loaded
<1> prism: maybe you could try disabling the auto-reload stuff
<4> any browser will consume a bit of RAM
<3> reisio, already is
<3> kev009, thats a few less than normal that list normally scrolls
<4> prism: you'll probably have to live with memory use in those numbers for the time being then
<3> kev009, auto load tab list at startup is currently 74 tabs
<4> FF would probably be in the 300MB range with that many tabs, but my system is 64bit so it uses more RAM
<1> I don't get that many tabs open too often
<1> but when I do the memory usage doesn't bother me
<3> kev009, ah this is a 2xamd athlon MP
<4> use less tabs, buy more memory. those are your options at the moment
<1> and I only have like 248MB RAM
<3> kev009, this thing already got 3Gb lol
<4> then what is the problem?
<3> I like to use as little as possible 8)
<4> I have 3GB on my box as well and I've never p***ed about 900MB during use with several compiles going and such
<1> prism: I guess you're not using Linux
<3> reisio, freebsd
<1> really
<3> FreeBSD alchemy.alchemy-networks.co.uk 6.1-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p2 #1: Sun Jun 18 23:42:49 BST 2006 alchemy@alchemy.alchemy-networks.co.uk:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KERN1 i386
<4> Linux uses the rest to cache disk I/O
<3> got a couple freebsd boxen and a few netbsd
<1> so FreeBSD doesn't use as much RAM as possible like Linux does?
<3> reisio,
<3> Mem: 321M Active, 1411M Inact, 184M Wired, 76M Cache, 112M Buf, 5644K Free
<3> Swap: 4000M Total, 48K Used, 4000M Free
<1> that's weird
<1> I rather like Linux's 'unused RAM is wasted RAM' method
<3> ah you see the big block of Inact ram
<3> that is used when I need ram
<3> its like ram thats already been used but isnt now
<3> eventually if I do nothing (goto bed or something)
<3> when I wake up most of the inact will be free
<3> its just kept in inact so that if I open an app again it can access it faster
<4> ah, stale pages like IBM AIX
<3> not sure works well though 8)
<4> I prefer the I/O caching method
<3> hmmw
<3> im not really with all this memory thing.. I kinda got a rough idea how it works
<3> what diffrenec or advantage does the I/O caching method give
<4> hard drives are the slowest component on any modern computer
<3> yep
<3> unless you got a really funky raid array 8)
<3> s/funky/m***ive
<4> if a file that is accessed is kept in RAM, you byp*** the HD
<3> is that what this bit is: 76M Cache
<4> sounds like it
<4> I bet there is a way to tune how freed ram is split
<3> probably, but with 2gb (forgot the last 1 gb stick is back at the shop) I have never really had to bother with it
<3> RAM is so cheap its just easier buying a couple of gigs of it
<4> then once again, why are you worried about 150MB usage?
<3> just cause I have lots of ram i like to keep an eye on it 8)
<5> Oh boy. I'm getting hired at $6.75 an hour to set up and maintain iTunes U and a VMware environment. It would have been nice if they had offered a position that I actually had skills and experience in, but whatever, it's work.
<3> kev009, http://www.alchemy-networks.co.uk/utils/uploads/opera1.png
<3> that better for you, I changed the theme :P
<5> I guess having a brother that works on the development team at VMware will be a benefit.
<5> Although I hadn't even heard of iTunes U until now :P
<4> Nanobot: what does the U stand for
<5> University, maybe?
<5> It's an environment for schools to organize... stuff
<5> And I guess it somehow integrates with iPods
<6> I want to write an app that is able to setup accounts for customers automatically, setup their domain or subdomain, emails, etc. Do I get a webserver admin software for my app to directly integrate with (such as cpanel, plesk, webmin) or do I have my app work with apache, postfix, etc directly?
<4> if you're interested in making your own, the latter
<3> ChrisC35, whatever is best for you, plesk is a full drop in solution though.. mysql+cgi(perl)+sendmail for the win though 8)
<4> I personally don't like the current off the shelf web host solutions because they expect or even compile their own version of software and are very slow to move to new versions
<1> want something done right, do it youself
<1> yourself* :)
<7> hey
<6> kev009 what do you do instead?
<7> i dont like this...wanna see what you think
<7> www.jtaby.com/mla/
<6> currently I am using webmin
<1> jtaby! :p
<7> lol
<4> ChrisC35: I create accounts on my unix box, and add DNS, Apache,etc entries by hand
<3> kev009, is that skin more palettable? :)
<4> ChrisC35: but if you want other people to make changes that probably is not appropriate
<6> kev009 wouldnt it be quicker / easier to use a front end?
<4> ChrisC35: I use webmin too from time to time, but it really isn't that hard once you know what to do
<7> reisio?
<4> I have template files of the various configs and just type in what I need
<6> i see
<6> so if you were writing an app that needed to do it, would you get the app to add the accounts through unix in code?
<1> majd: wha?
<1> I didn't see anything especially bad
<7> the black buttons?
<4> ChrisC35: yes: Perl, Python or PHP will do it just fine
<6> i'm planning to develop with Python/django or pylons
<4> ChrisC35: it would be a matter of adding or appending config files in /etc and restarting processes like Apache that need it
<1> I'm gonna use Perl/Montgomery instead of Python/Django
<1> hrmmm
<1> I guess it'd be Perl/Wes
<1> what's that Perl equivalent to RoR again?
<7> damnit reisio i need some feedback
<7> lol
<1> you want feedback?
<1> go find a woman or a homo
<6> kev009 where can I learn the basics of doing this by hand? basically adding new domains, email accounts, setting up their folder with proper permissions, ftp access ? I have a server using Fedora
<7> lmao
<1> I'm a plain dude
<7> you're a coder
<1> there is good, there is bad, and there is spectacular (tits)
<7> lol
<1> if it's bad, I'll say so
<4> ChrisC35: http://www.howtoforge.com, IBM DeveloperWorks, man pages, books
<1> if it's good/okay, I have no comment
<6> kev009 is the topic basicallly linux administration?
<6> where I can learn all that
<4> ChrisC35: howtoforge has everything you need. you will need to learn the command to create a user account, Apache httpd.conf file, database creation and permissions, ftp server if you need it, etc.
<6> nice
<6> one thing I've done wrong is folder permissions
<6> webmin doesnt set them up correctly
<6> now one client can ftp in and get to other client files
<8> anyone have any suggestions for US based dedicated server hosting
<4> if all that sounds intimidating, look into http://www.ispconfig.org/. there are guides on how to set it up on various OS
<7> Element43, www.jtaby.com/mla/
<7> you like green or black?
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