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<0> *room temperature
<1> Nanobot, but why?
<2> hah
<0> And sometimes he opens up holes in the ground under bunnies
<1> that'd explain why hip hop is dead :(
<0> Zeros: Don't ask "why" in this series
<0> It's Pani Poni Dash
<1> ah
<0> http://trinityblood.net/animagik9/konosono/wp-content/Pani1.jpg <- ten-year-old chibi teacher flipping off the cl***
<2> hah, i'm watching larry king... and the guest asked him "whats the first thing you'd ask god if you met him?" and larry says "did you have a son?"
<2> i lol'd
<1> God of course would answer, "Yes, 2000 years ago, and I'm /still/ paying child support"
<2> hah
<2> Zeros: does IE have issues with you just opening "<script type="text/javascript">" in the middle of the body and acting on the dom?
<2> i think that might be whats causing my problems
<2> cuase with FX, you can do that, and anything above the script the dom exists for
<1> hax, it shouldn't, of course you can't access the DOM before it exists, so the script needs to be after the elements it references
<2> Zeros: well, thats what i'm doing, but i think thats causing a lot of my problem
<1> IE was doing that long before FF even existed
<2> oh
<2> hrm
<1> hax, are you referencing things with nextSibling or walking the DOM? IE7 if I remember Nanobot's notes right has issues with adding comments to odd places in the DOM, not sure if that gets mucked into JS nodelists too.
<2> Zeros: nope
<1> hmm, this is odd, and you're sure that Active Scripting is enabled in IE?
<2> aha
<2> sec
<2> Zeros: so you remember bewest's alexa problem?
<1> yep
<1> did he figure it out?
<2> and how i turned javascript off to see if that would stop his lag?
<2> not sure
<2> but i still had javascript off :P
<1> you leave it off?
<1> oh
<1> :)
<2> gxti: btw, take that :P
<2> oh good, now IE just crashes instead
<1> hah
<2> "Operation aborted."
<2> AWESOME
<2> it renders the damn map first too
<2> i can see the map!
<3> you're not supposed to **** with the DOM until after the body.onload event
<3> although i dunno if you actually can access things above the script
<1> adding event listeners inline shouldn't be an issue
<3> no
<3> that should be fine
<3> hrm
<1> I wouldn't go removing nodes, since you might screw up the DOM for later elements yeah :/
<2> god damn
<2> http://www.ryangrant.net/archives/internet-explorer-cannot-open-the-internet-site-operation-aborted-google-map-api
<2> FIXED
<1> hax, are you using a table?
<1> http://vidmar.net/weblog/archive/2005/08/22/2121.aspx
<1> oh, google maps is using a html table
<1> heh, Operation Aborted was an awesome error message, I wonder what was in the Event log
<2> Zeros: i'm not, but i just fixed it by using Event.observe
<2> hah
<2> IE's got an event log?
<1> no, I mean the Windows one, which probably doesn't have anything relating to this
<1> Windows Event Log is a joke
<2> oh :P
<2> whoa, US just attacked somalia
<2> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/08/world/africa/09somaliacnd.html?hp&ex=1168318800&en=6ef0bbf473aa6cd8&ei=5094&partner=homepage
<2> well, al queda in samalia
<2> *somalia
<2> either way, still more us military action
<2> alright, this kicks a lot of ***... another IE bug down
<2> i might have this whole site finished tomorrow
<2> Zeros: btw, are you a fan of larry king?
<4> guys, there is a site for sale, pr7 but all the referrer logs show myspace urls... what could you do with a site like that?
<2> 'pr7'?
<4> google page rank...
<2> oh
<2> i dont keep track of that stuff
<2> Zeros: naomi judd is on, and this is a really interesting interview
<4> basically it's a bunch of people aged 13-23 that use computers all the time, is there anything you could do to make a living off of providing a service for them or by placing adverts to someone who could?
<2> AI_coder: umm, well, myspace did it
<1> AI_coder, buying a site for the page rank and changing the content will not necessarily preserve the page rank, which is computed of many things including back references, content, relevance etc.
<2> i would not buy a site based on pagerank
<4> Zeros: who said anything about changing content?
<2> pagerank is a effect, not a cause
<4> hax: not buying for pr, buying for the large user base, however i need to know what ppl of that demographic want.
<1> I'd not buy it unless you knew what you were doing, and why, and you were familiar with the community
<2> AI_coder: that's a business question, not a web question
<1> sites with large user bases don't generally take kindly to take overs that have the intent to capitalize by forcing subscription services heh
<2> AI_coder: you should review the same information you would buying an online business as you would a brick and mortar business
<4> may i ask where a more appropriate venue is?
<1> AI_coder, what site is this?
<4> well it's not really impt, there are hundreds of these sites for sale, just check sitepoint some time.
<1> heh, I can't imagine buying a business I don't really understand just for the user/client base
<1> that seems like a rather poor business choice
<4> Zeros: what do you do?
<5> uhhhhh, how do I do a trackback. I want to post a blog entry to this idiot
<1> AI_coder, for a living?
<4> web related, living, business, fun... anything about you
<2> lol
<2> what an uncomfortable question
<4> not really...
<1> AI_coder, um... I like to watch Law & Order :p
<2> Zeros: this interview is really remarkable... naomi judd has discovered the tenets of taoism... but she doesnt realize it, she justifies it with pseduo-science and psychology
<4> so is anyone in here remotely interested or knowledgeable about how to make a living off of aged 13-23 myspace users that frequent computers often?
<2> Zeros: like what she says is spot on, but how she got there is very western and poorly understood
<1> hax, What channel?
<2> Zeros: cnn, larry king
<6> AI_coder ...?
<2> Zeros: its almost over now
<2> Zeros: but it'll be on again late night if you're up
<2> Zeros: when the show started, i thought she was full of ****... and giving half-***ed advice... but she's actually found happiness and 'the way'... only she somehow arrived there through pseudo-science
<4> Ocoth: ideas?
<6> AI_coder do you have information, or are you looking for it? :P
<4> i've got a site, it inadvertently ended up with a large amount of traffic that has a lot of myspace users in the referrer logs
<2> AI_coder: how are they getting there?
<2> (i'll bite, why not)
<4> hax: word of mouth
<2> AI_coder: i mean how are the links getting there
<4> iunno
<4> it's on their pages i guess
<2> AI_coder: is it links like a music player link? or a funny image? or an mp3? or are they spreading the word about a good forum? or a funny site? or?
<4> i don't use myspace and wasn't interested until the top 10 referrers for a site were myspace
<1> hax, well you're applying what you know of taoism to what she said, someone who was a die hard christian would say she was letting jesus into her life or some such
<2> Zeros: maybe, but i dunno
<2> Zeros: it struck me as very taoist
<1> much of the "I fixed my life through X" type speeches apply to everyone, and bent the right way to all faiths
<4> hax: it's a service for ppl and it turns out most of the ppl that need it are myspace users
<1> AI_coder, and that's why I said what you're doing is a poor business choice
<4> does anyone use quirc
<4> ?
<1> If you don't understand the user base, you'll not be very good at running the business
<2> Zeros: well, specifically because she talks about living a happy life in the older years... being old and youthful, but not buying into the 'young is better' thing
<1> though it sounds like this "site" isn't actually making profit anyway, and you want to turn it into something that does make money
<2> AI_coder: not seeing the site, i'd give it a fail, and i wouldn't buy it
<1> and that's a bad idea too, taking a free service and exploiting the users to turn a profit generally backfires when the users go elsewhere
<2> Zeros: oh btw, sh1mmer turned me on to this great lecture... dunno if you've seen this but: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6909078385965257294&q=google+marketing
<2> Zeros: very good watch
<4> hax: well it isn't important, lets say i have a site that is in competition with these other sites and it is on an exponential increase in users
<2> AI_coder: you'll likely fail
<7> http://www.intelliadmin.com/blog/2007/01/progression-of-vista-through.html?View=Full <-- Hmm... I remember that first screenshot.
<4> Ocoth: are you still interested?
<4> hax: fail at what?
<6> AI_coder remotely :P
<4> Ocoth: mind if i msg you?
<6> AI_coder no, I'm not like that :P
<1> hax, I love it, touching wires causes instant death, $200 fine
<4> Ocoth: do you have any suggestions of how to use that traffic?
<2> Zeros: hah
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