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<0> PseudoPlacebo: Since the only style applies to them is a:link { color: reg(0,0,0); } on line 25
<1> Dorward: What about .box a:link {} ?
<0> PseudoPlacebo: Doesn't appear anywhere in your document.
<1> Line 98?
<0> PseudoPlacebo: Doesn't say a:link.
<1> It says a
<1> But even if it says a:link it's still black.
<1> Still no luck.
<2> What ever happened to vrml ?
<3> lol
<2> wasn't it supposed to be the next big thing - like in 1998 ?
<2> not that i want to resurrect it ... but i honestly thought vrml was easier and more widely supported than svg currently is
<3> totally dead
<3> 100%
<3> turns out two dimensions was hard enough
<2> lol
<2> cosmoplayer too?
<2> sigh.... let's resurrect it .. what would a web n+1 3d website look like ?
<4> Haha!
<4> Found three dvi->dsub adaptors :D
<4> Mmm, tri-monitor goodness :)
<5> Can somebody tell me why Dell and all these "brand PC" companies don't ship Firefox, Opera or something other than El Retardo de Browso by default with Windows? Would that violate their deal with MS or something?
<1> 'cause they don't care that much. They pop the OS on the machine, ship it out and reel in the money.
<6> I'd suspect because it's actually free. They like advertising "Comes with 0 of software!", even if that's the original selling price, the titles are outdated, and the cost to them is 50p
<5> What do you mean by "free"? Opera and Firefox don't cost a penny.
<7> No, it's because they only accept software they're paid to install
<7> it would be a lot more sense than paying for stupid ****ing ads
<7> but then firefox corp. like wasting money
<7> Google and others pay the providers a lot to get the software on there
<5> I get pissed off at everyone constantly praising Firefox.
<5> Why not promote Opera, which is far superior?
<6> If the software costs nothing, they can't up the total headline of the "value" of the bundle, so no incentive
<5> Yes... TV ads is certainly wasteful.
<5> I can't see many MSIE lusers switch to Firefox from seeing a nonsense commercial.
<6> They're buying TV ads now?
<5> kirun: Firefox has several TV ads. In USA, at least, it appears.
<6> What really annoyed me with FF (then as Mozilla/browser), was the insistence that "We don't do end user products, other people will package ours" as an excuse to not fix some prominent Seamonkey bugs
<3> so... i need to have a section on my site that's for javascript-enabled users only
<6> Then, they suddenly decide they do end user products after all, and the "experimental" M/B becomes Phoenix and the suite gets the shaft for a few years
<5> Like GNU? :S
<3> what's the least offensive way to do that?
<5> The GNU OS that isn't an OS. ;S
<6> hax: I handle this by stating on the introduction page that this is the case, and provide advice on browser compatibility
<3> kirun: but how do i just keep them out least offensively? how do i have two versions of the page?
<6> The only blocking I put in was a user-agent detect for IE, because it sends hundreds of requests for files that aren't there on one script. I added a clickthrough so it could handily be overidden, though
<3> err
<6> In my case though, there were only javascript versions as a noscript version made no sense
<3> kirun: i mean how do i hide js content unless they have js?
<3> i feel like display:none and then setting it onload is probably a bad idea
<3> document.write clearly isnt a good solution
<7> why isn't a good solution?
<0> hax: Why is document.write not a good solution?
<8> im looking for an open source / freeware dealer locator script ...anyone have any suggestions?
<6> As in, enter postcode, get nearest location?
<8> yes
<3> Dorward: well, i dont think it would work with my templating engine
<0> hax: Umm. Err. Revise the templating system?
<8> theres a ton of them out there, but they are all comercial
<9> Goad, get the long and latt cords from the census and then just use basic trig to find the distance between those two points
<3> Dorward: seriously?
<0> hax: It can't be very good if it doesn't let you include arbitary HTML when you need it.
<3> Dorward: is there any other solution?
<3> Dorward: maybe i dont understand how to document.write correctly?
<6> The hard part (at least in the UK) is getting the postcode -> location data
<8> element43, i am not a programmer, i wouldnt even know where to begin with that....thus why i am looking for a script :)
<0> hax: You p*** it a string of HTML which gets inserted into the document at the point where the script is called.
<9> kirun, for international I would use the long/lat of cities opposed to post code
<10> <!--[if gte IE 5.5]><![if lt IE 7]> what's mean of "--" in front of first if comparison?
<3> Dorward: and thats it?
<2> adsss: its part of the comment ?
<3> Dorward: but my whole page requires javascript
<3> Dorward: i probably shouldnt just put the whole page in a document.write()
<3> seems kind of silly anyway
<2> krun, element43: just by chance since you are all talking about locations -- does anyone know of a state with a pair or more of non-unique cities?
<0> hax: The whole page shouldn't require JavaScript.
<3> Dorward: well, nothing should require javascript
<9> iratik, not that i am aware of.. there are multiple burlingtons but they are in different states
<5> If it does, you're a stupid Ajax Web 2.0 bull****ter.
<9> Database relation... A invites B to be friends.. do I end up with 1 record (initiate, initiator, initiateBool, initiatorBool) OR two records (owner, friend, bool)
<10> iratik hm. what's mean of " ><! " these :s between two if statement
<11> question, is there a specific site on writing web applications ? Specifically productively without being an idiot(writing compat for all browsers). Specifically targetting a single portable browser
<2> i know there are 2 cities in texas with the same name but i don't know what the name is or how to even begin searching !??!
<2> adsss: i'm lost
<3> Dorward: well, one answer is obviously to make everything have a non-javsacript fallback
<3> Dorward: another solution would be to somehow deny users without javascript from entering that section of the site
<3> and i think i'd prefer to just deny them entrance without js
<3> Dorward: but i just want to keep them out at the door, i dont want to fill all my pages with huge document.write() wraps
<12> ZOMG!
<11> hax: just deny everyone but people using mozilla/ff
<11> hax: simple
<3> canine_kouji: thats not an option, but also wouldn't help
<11> hax: yes it would
<11> it would simplify develop so you could focus more on features instead of portability
<11> a very intelligent way of thinking like MS, screw everyone else but your own.
<11> works for them, in all aspects, and cuts development time, which is why people like the ASP.NET designer
<3> canine_kouji: firefox users can disable javascript
<11> hax: well, then those people are seriously screwed.
<11> hax: I write software, they use what I say or they can find someone else.
<11> I only use smart development methods.
<3> umm, okay, thats not an option
<3> but thanks for the suggestion
<11> the opposite of my method is stupidity, which is what most states use.
<4> ...
<4> Wow, ignorance on an unprecidented level.
<12> mmmm
<12> Saying 'We only support IE7+' is a perfectly fine option in *some* cases.
<4> Lets target all out sites at the ~10% of the population who use Mozilla based browsers, it'll save development time and also have the bunus of dropping our potential customerbase by an order of magnitude.
<3> ideally, i'm trying to start a successful business
<3> so alienating potential customers really isnt what i'm trying to do
<12> hax: try suing them instead, works for other companies
<12> err 'organizations'
<5> Sembiance: What cases?
<12> KimmoA: RIAA
<5> "Saying 'We only support IE7+' is a perfectly fine option in *some* cases."
<12> KimmoA: Oh, you mean the IE7 thing
<3> Sembiance: i dont have that kind of capital
<12> KimmoA: If I'm in a company that has all ex-microsoft execs in management, with an internal IT policy mandating that everyone use IE or they are fired, and they ask me to code a internal inranet site in ASP only for employees to be used in house, it's safe to only code it for IE
<12> KimmoA: Now *i* would never end up in such a company or in such a situation. And if I did, I would still code it to work in all browsers.
<12> KimmoA: but to say there is never ever any scenario where coding just for one browser is 'OK' isn't thinking creatively enough
<12> not that you said that or anything ;)
<3> also, what would the css selector be for the <ol> number
<13> KimmoA: Next time you feel like sending me a PM telling me to **** off just remember I've been in #web much, much longer than you have.. and nobody here considers me a troll
<3> i like sipher
<13> hax: I was afk last night for like 2 hours and return to a pm "**** off troll"
<3> nice
<13> yeah
<13> I can't believe the opened up the Second Life source
<3> yeah
<3> i guess they're really trying to grow it
<3> its not like anyones going to make a new second life server
<3> but they might get help improving the client
<13> Well I think they just think it's the thing to do.. open your code and everone loves you
<13> everyone*
<13> They've had so many security problems though.. I'm not sure it's a good idea
<13> "5 seconds" my ***.. stupid windows extractor
<13> should have used 7zip
<13> There's been "5 seconds remaining" for 3 minutes
<3> heh
<10> can you look http://www.projeler.org/index2.html with firefox and ie please. there is a difference between them and i don't know how can i fix that
<10> i used percent for div's width
<0> adsss: I told you a minute ago.
<10> Dorward thanks :)
<13> I just saw a commercial "ABC 7 news has a new timeslot! Now you can watch ABC 7 news at 9 on TV 20 channel 13" haha
<13> I wonder what marketing genius thought that up
<3> hrm
<3> brb
<14> why are web technologies getting more complicated all the time. why cant we all just play solitair and be happy with it
<15> More complicated ?
<5> ...
<15> Are you trolling ? What technology are you talking about ?
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