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<0> don't you screen that stuff out mentally by now
<0> ajnewbold: i read a lot of blogs
<1> webben: I read everything. What the person says, and how they say it, and what their motives are for blogging
<2> I think the crowning achievement for that was when Katarina hit
<0> ajnewbold: i don't think they blog _for_ ads and amazon stuff
<2> bunch of guys were stuck in a data centre and started blogging about what was going on down there, what they saw first hand
<1> webben: To me, the guy asking that you buy him a plasma TV isn't really in it for the sincerity
<0> but maybe you're just reading the wrong blogs
<1> Zeros: do you have the url for that?
<1> I'd like to read that
<1> webben: to be fair, I need to admit now that I don't think it's good of me to make generalizations about bloggers
<1> webben: every blogger is different, indeed
<0> just like people :)
<1> so let me retract the generalizations and say that in general, communication for the sake of persoal gain is not as valuable to me as communication for the sake of spreading thoughts, ideas, and creativity
<2> ajnewbold, I'm looking, trying to find it
<1> in my opinion
<0> ajnewbold: i agree, although i don't think they're intrinsically incompatible
<0> ajnewbold: although greed can get in the way of course
<0> ajnewbold: but then so can the desire to impress one's own thoughts on everyone else
<0> communication's a tricky business
<1> webben: my thoughts about the positive possibilities of the internet and connectedness come from this: http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/Kids.html#think
<1> the "So do you think the Web is basically been a good idea or a bad one?" section
<3> pretty sure I keep hearing a horse.
<4> is it possible to set the color of a checkbox input with CSS?
<3> and I live in a city.
<1> dibblego: it's possible to set the color of anything using CSS :P
<1> Ocoth: I live in a city too, and the other day when I was walking around at lunch I saw two cops on horses
<4> ajnewbold, maybe I made another mistake - I can't seem to apply it to a checkbox input
<5> Zeros: so, wait, elaborate on this HashWithIndifferentAccess thing?
<6> ajnewbold yeah but I doubt it is a cop horse :P
<1> dibblego: wait, you want to change the color of the check or the box itself?
<4> ajnewbold, the box
<6> ajnewbold I live in the suburbs, not the city centre, and we don't have enough people in the city centre to warrant horse cops anyway :P
<0> ajnewbold: some TBL on blogging: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4132752.stm
<1> dibblego: hmmm, I'm sure I've seen it done before... did you set the background-color on it?
<1> webben: reading now
<4> ajnewbold, yes, the style is definitely applying - it changes height when I tell it to
<0> ajnewbold: for me, this is a very important point: "here's a certain ethos within the blogging community, you always point to your source, you point all the way back to the original article. If you're looking at something and you don't know where it comes from, if there's no pointer to the source, you can ignore it."
<0> most of what most people write is mostly wrong ... but so long as you can return ad fontes...
<1> webben: I agree
<0> whereas traditional print media don't even bother to tell you what they're citing
<0> it tends to be "a report" etc
<1> webben: but I prefer to read blogs about people's thoughts on things, which are never wrong
<1> dibblego: what browser are you using?
<0> ajnewbold: sorry?
<4> ajnewbold, firefox, but I just realised the background-color works in IE
<0> ajnewbold: do you thoughts on objects?
<1> webben: people's opinions -- they're not "right" or "wrong"
<2> ajnewbold, http://www.baselinemag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a=161575,00.asp thats all I can find
<5> Zeros: thoughts?
<1> dibblego: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Web/Web_Languages/CSS/Q_20735377.html
<1> Zeros: thanks :)
<2> ajnewbold, they had a whole blog though, each of the guys took turns writing a post, about keeping the diesel generator going, finding survivors, what it was like
<0> ajnewbold: oh ... i wasn't even talking about their opinions (who am i to judge) ... i was talking about the way people tend to get the facts wrong
<4> ajnewbold, I need to subscribe to view the solution?
<0> (not that i'm any different :) )
<2> ajnewbold, http://sigmund.biz/kat20050901%20part%202/ I found that too, the building the data centre was in had cameras all around it and they started using them to show live footage
<1> webben: well, yeah, they do :) but let me back up again -- I prefer to read blogs where people share thoughts and opinions on basic, universal things
<1> dibblego: maybe :( that's the only thing I could find on it
<4> ok cheers
<1> dibblego: oh, wait, check this: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/bmerkey/examples/style-checkboxes.html
<0> ajnewbold: i see... we probably do end up reading different blogs then :)
<1> webben: yeah, heh
<2> oh hax, leopard will ship with RoR!
<2> haha
<4> ajnewbold, thanks
<1> webben: I see these blogs where people react to the news of the day, or whatever, and that just totally turns me off
<0> ajnewbold: i don't mind that at all per se. Just depends on whether they add something or not.
<1> webben: I can watch the news myself and formulate my own opinions... the newsblogs only give me an opportunity for me to agree or disagree with the blogger
<1> ah, well, that's interesting
<1> about adding something
<1> sometimes I do see where people add stuff
<1> and that *does* make it interesting
<2> depends on how extreme the blogger's view is
<7> Hm, what are some good CMS's ? Joomla, PHPNuke? Something nice and simple that has a calendar, blog, news, easily add pages to the navigation menu ... would anyone happen to know of one?
<0> ajnewbold: oh i agree a blog that simply regurgitates the news is very boring
<2> heh
<2> joomla outputs nasty code foo, PHPNuke outputs even worse code
<2> I hear Joomla isn't excessively complicated though :/
<7> I see. Nice, I'll check it out - thanks.
<8> I'm all for constructive criticism
<8> But Joomla ****s
<1> webben: but still, even when someone has something insightful to say about what's going on in the middle east, I always wind up feeling frustrated because there's nothing I can really do about it
<1> webben: I guess that's why I'd rather read someone's thoughts on toothpaste or whatever
<0> have you seen _any_ cms that outputs decent code?
<0> ajnewbold: yeah, i don't react that way, but i can certainly sympathize with that reaction
<8> There are very few, I'm dealing with WordPress which is pretty descent but like most CMS's (tho wordpress is more of a blog) it could always use improvements in it's code output
<1> webben: in fact, I don't think I've really read a newspaper or watched television news since 9/11
<2> punbb outputs pretty decent code
<1> webben: occasionally I'll fire up Google News just to see what's going on, but I just don't care anymore
<2> its not the most featured forum, but it all CSS and semantic markup
<0> ajnewbold: maybe you should read some history blogs, or science blogs instead :)
<2> ajnewbold, "August 7th: Red toothpaste kicks ***, the blue stuff ****s... click here to post your thoughts!"
<1> webben: ugh, don't even get me started on science :P
<1> Zeros: yay for toothpaste blogs! :)
<2> :D
<0> Zeros: cool, never heard of that one
<2> got to be careful though, some are just part of the American Dental ***ociation's scheme for world domination :/
<2> :)
<1> http://www.knowledgeforthirst.com/
<1> that's an example of a blog I enjoy
<2> I don't read many blogs, the one I used to follow the guy got married and stopped posting :(
<0> ajnewbold: that's cool :)
<1> I ought to start a blog
<9> can someone point me in the direction of a good article on moveable <div>'s with javascript? or does such an article not exist
<1> but I have nothing to say :(
<1> BrianAnthony: movable divs?
<1> BrianAnthony: can they actually be moved these days? did i miss something?
<0> ajnewbold: then why ought you to?
<9> using javasript
<9> javascript, even
<1> webben: I don't know :( I have this nagging feeling that I just *should*
<0> BrianAnthony, do you mean drag and drop?
<2> we should all start a blog, call it "#weblog" :)
<1> Zeros: hehe
<9> webben: sure
<1> Zeros: that'd be neat :)
<0> BrianAnthony: perhaps use scriptalicious or rico or dojo?
<0> BrianAnthony: or Yahoo's library?
<9> I was just looking for a good article that broke down the code
<9> I have a general idea on how it might be done, but just want to see some good code in action
<1> Zeros: "August 5, 2006. ajnewbold fights with Polish people."
<2> hahaha
<1> Zeros: "August 7, 2006. ajnewbold explained for the 800th time why he hates science, and once again expressed concern over rising gas prices."
<1> actually I haven't yet explained why I hate science
<1> maybe I could do that in my blog
<2> ajnewbold, yeah it would, hax talked about it once too, got the whole thing up and then decided he had nothing to say :p
<1> hhahaha
<5> Zeros: wait, what?
<2> I think his exact words were something like "turns out I just wanted paper, not to write on it"
<5> Zeros: me?
<2> hax, your blog
<5> sounds like something i'd say
<5> lol
<5> yeah
<1> http://ajnewbold.blogspot.com/
<1> yay
<1> I'm a blogger now
<5> heh
<10> I should create a blog and convey all of my thoughts using picture puzzles like notpron.
<10> Just to drive people crazy.
<1> Rehevkor: heheh
<1> Rehevkor: now you're making me want to do my blog entirely in rhebus!
<1> or however that's spelled
<2> :p
<1> Rebus
<1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebus
<2> I'm going to use cuneiform for my blog!
<1> oh yeah!
<1> I'll top you all
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