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<0> Noia: looks suspiciously like that should be a table, or at least a list anyway
<1> bewest: i'm about to go to calc1
<1> bewest: *sigh*
<0> not spans and p's
<2> hax: try to take one at princeton next summer
<1> bewest: i should
<3> well, thats acctualy parsed html...now origionaly it was throwing errors because of content inside a <blockquote> not being inside a <p>
<0> Noia, for help with tables see http://del.icio.us/benjaminhawkeslewis/tables
<3> so i included the <p> in the parsing tags...and now its throwing errors about <p>s inside <p>s....so...is there another element I can use
<2> hax: music has much to speak about regarding symbolism and abstract vs. concrete
<2> and when enough is enough!
<3> webben, and your website isn't loding...
<0> Noia: darn of course it isn't - forgot my development version is hidden behind my firewall
<0> Noia: hang on
<2> in from 1860 - 1940 or so, music got incredibly abstract/symbolic
<0> Noia: www.benjaminhawkeslewis.com/www/xhtml/faq/backwards-compatibility/section-c will do for these purposes
<2> many people seem to think that because they can't understand it, that it means nothing.... they then apply "characterized by meaning nothing" to the definition of abstract
<3> sometimes I wish I lived in the 60s-70s
<2> and then believe that being "abstract" means it means nothing
<4> Noia: ... it wasn't much to speak of ... ;)
<0> Noia: sorry for the broken link
<1> bewest: i really should
<2> anyway, shoenberg, cage, babbit got VERY VERY abstract
<2> and their friends
<1> bewest: you should just open up a school for me
<1> bewest: you've taught me more in the last few weeks than any college
<1> lol
<2> actually schoenberg didn't really have friends
<2> anyway, the public basically said "enough is enough"
<2> now we have rap :-(
<1> bewest: word up
<1> bewest: some rap is great
<1> bewest: i could change your opinion on that real fast
<2> actually I like some rap
<1> ;)
<2> that's not the point though
<2> the plurality of pop music is utter drivel
<1> agreed
<1> underground rap is great though
<1> bewest: some pop is great because of the engineering behind it
<1> like tatu
<2> I'm hopeful though... radiohead and sigur ros is adding more meaning into the music.... we'll see what happens in another hundred years
<1> they took underage russian girls, told them to be lesbians, wrote and produced their songs for them, and packaged it for my demographic
<1> you can't beat that
<3> webben, my encoding type is text/html....what should is acctualy be?
<0> Noia, that's not an encoding type
<3> application/xml-html ?
<0> Noia, that's an internet media type
<3> ok
<1> Noia: utf-8
<1> oh, i shouldn't have said that
<1> here comes another debate ;)
<0> hax: no that's right
<1> webben: some people disagree
<3> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
<3> I suspect thats whats throwing the problem
<0> oh actually, given you're using the xml declaration, you can in theory use any encoding type
<3> but I don't see anything wrong with it
<0> Noia: but you must specify the same type everywhere
<1> bewest: okay, i gotta go to this retarded calc1 cl***
<2> hax: ok, seeya
<0> as i pointed out to you before i think, your prologue doesn't match your meta tag
<1> bewest: ty for the lesson (as always)
<2> np
<1> bewest: i'm sure i'll be back to talk academic about something later if you're around :)
<3> prologue?
<0> Noia: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> directly contradicts <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/xhtml; charset=iso-8859-1" />
<2> heh this isn't really academic
<0> Noia: xml declaration == xml prologue
<2> this is the practical stuff
<3> ah
<3> soooo...
<1> bewest: well, to an extent
<1> bewest: not a lot of people get it though
<2> that's cause it's hard
<0> Noia: what is your document actually saved as with your editor?
<3> webben, should I have utf-8 there then?
<0> (or in your database?)
<3> webben, lots of templates, phps and database stuff
<0> Noia: i'd advise using utf-8 throughout as the easiest and most reliable option
<1> bewest: which makes it academic :)
<2> no
<0> Noia: if you're database is churning out a different character set, it will need to be converted to match
<0> s/you're/your
<1> bewest: oh forget it :P
<3> oh what the hell?!
<2> ok
<2> seeya
<1> bbl guys
<0> Noia: yes, charset issues ****
<3> Collation latin1_swedish_ci
<3> >.<
<5> hi guys, i have a frameset, and first in one of the frames i didn't have a table, they were all connected nice together with setting leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" and the framepage setting framespacing="0" frameborder="no" border="0", but then i added 1 table in my framepage, with cellpadding 0, and border 0, but there is now 1 pixel of white space between them. does anybody have a clue how to delete that one?
<0> Noia, collation different again
<0> Noia: that's basically for *sorting*
<0> Noia: what's the character set
<3> CHARSET=latin1
<3> but I think some tables are UTf
<3> I'll have to figure out a way of converting and fixing things...
<0> Noia: you need to make it so that the whole db uses the same charset -- for the sake of sanity
<0> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/charset-database.html
<0> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/charset.html
<0> ***uming this is mysql (sounds like it)
<0> latin1 for reference == iso-8859-1
<5> Anybody could help me? i'm kinda desperate
<3> webben, just checked...everything uses Latin1
<0> Noia: ah, in that case you need to decide whether that's sufficient for your purposes
<3> so my xml should probably reflect that I suppose...
<0> if it is, then you need to specify iso-8859-1 in your declaration and your meta
<3> webben, I write in alot of different languages....so as many characters as humanly possible :D
<0> (personally, i'd convert the system over to utf-8, but consistency is the crucial thing)
<0> Noia: in that case you want utf-8
<3> and how do I convert my database to utf-8 ?
<4> Noia: any non-western European scripts?
<0> Noia: see mysql docs i pasted as links (if mysql)(
<3> Windrose, on a really really rare oc***ion...some kanji...maybe
<5> hi guys, i have a frameset, and first in one of the frames i didn't have a table, they were all connected nice together with setting leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" and the framepage setting framespacing="0" frameborder="no" border="0", but then i added 1 table in my framepage, with cellpadding 0, and border 0, but there is now 1 pixel of white space between them. does anybody have a clue how to delete that one?
<4> Noia: then UTF-8, yes. How to deal with that in your database is best left to its documentation.
<0> Noia, but make sure your scripts can cope with a different charset
<0> if you're sticking this together with PHP or whatever
<0> Mosselmaniac, most people don't use frames any more, so that sort of knowledge is getting rarer
<5> well i know, but i'm looking for a solution instead of thinking in problems
<0> Mosselmaniac, you would also be more likely to get an answer if you posted a link for people to look at
<3> webben, what should I use for collation?
<5> don't have it online :(
<0> Noia: AFAIK that's not as crucial a question
<3> as I might aswell just change the charset and collation at the same time...
<0> Noia: at least, it won't mess up your markup
<0> Noia, list here: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/charset-unicode-sets.html
<5> webben http://www.softwarevooru.nl/omega2/
<0> Noia: long time since i looked into the question, but IIRC utf8_unicode_ci is a reasonable choice
<0> Mosselmaniac, fix your markup: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.softwarevooru.nl%2Fomega2%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&ss=1&verbose=1
<3> what is the MySQL name for UTF-8 ?
<5> got it already webben
<0> Mosselmaniac, and follow section C: http://www.benjaminhawkeslewis.com/www/xhtml/faq/backwards-compatibility/section-c
<6> Noia, "utf8" I believe
<6> as in "SET NAMES utf8;"
<5> webben, is the word pragmatic correct english?
<0> Mosselmaniac, yes
<5> in some cases you have to be pragmatic
<0> is the word "topic" correct English?
<0> Mosselmaniac, if you're going to use junk markup, don't claim to be using XHTML Frameset
<6> just last week we converted our main web framework databases to utf8
<0> Mosselmaniac, use SGML without a doctype or with a custom doctype
<5> it works now, it's fine.
<3> Nuuuu
<3> I just lost like 20 queries >.,
<3> AND AN EYE!
<0> Noia, you didn't backup first?!
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