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<0> stone...better to use relative if you needed to change something
<1> the-drew: that would kill IE resize
<2> some pages arent made to be completely elastic you fool
<0> the-drew...DUHHHH read what I just said
<3> and firefox resize, as of deer park
<2> i'm extremely pissed users are even allowed to resize css fonts
<3> black_Nightmare: yeah, that's what i said
<4> StoneCypher: i set it to 77%
<5> heh
<5> never mind.
<3> percentages don't fix your problem
<2> THE SOLUTION I OFFERED MAKES IT SO BROWSER RESIZING RESIZES FONTS PROPORTIONALLY CROSS-BROWSER
<5> i see the-drew's got you covered. *ahem*
<2> IDIOTS
<3> it just means it takes two more sizings up to hit the bug
<3> do it right, instead
<3> i told you how to fix it
<0> stonecypher...if I recall right it would be like <basefont size=+2> for text clips ... not sure I can remember now how you would do it to cover the entire site
<2> please dont listen to this idiot
<3> black_Nightmare: oh, i tend to prefer purely css solutions, personally
<1> the-drew: no. it won't. IE won't resize if any of the parent elements uses pixels
<2> yes it will
<2> i guarantee it
<2> as long as you use percentage sizes on the p's
<2> or whatever element you're putting a font size on
<2> 13px is just the base
<4> the-drew: so... body { font-size: 77%; }?
<4> or 92%
<2> so that it standardizes across browsers
<2> NO
<3> that doesn't fix your problem
<2> body { font-size:13px; }
<3> are you not listening?
<4> i know
<4> StoneCypher: i'm trying to understand
<4> this is a new problem to me
<2> p { font-size:85%; }
<1> the-drew: sorry. my bad.
<3> you're being trolled.
<2> that would make p 11px IN ALL BROWSERS
<3> put him on ignore and listen to the two correct solutions i gave you a while ago.
<1> er...
<4> oh ****, that almost fixes it
<2> IT DOES
<3> okay fine, learn the hard way.
<2> and one more thing i'd like to throw out there, which is also factual information
<3> it never ceases to amaze me how quickly people fall for broken "quick fixes"
<4> StoneCypher: i still don't get it
<2> STONECYPHER HAS *** WITH MEN
<2> self proclaimed homo***ual
<4> StoneCypher: i want to understand the good fix
<2> who would you rather listen to, him or me
<3> and how angry they get when they find out that fixing ten of these hacks at once means a complete overhaul
<3> dude
<3> it's trivially simple
<4> StoneCypher: if i didn't, i wouldnt even be asking, because its good enough
<4> StoneCypher: please explain
<2> stone has *** with men, trust me
<2> he'll admit it
<3> [19:17] <3> hax: it's really simple. if you want your site to scale with text size, you have to measure everything that's going to scale in text size too. given that your sidebar is fixed-size, everything it contains must be too.
<3> [19:18] <3> either size your sidebar in em or size the inputs in pixels
<3> what part of that do you not understand
<2> are you the giver or the taker
<2> his method is not consistant cross browser
<2> believe me
<4> StoneCypher: okay, what i don't understand is "either size your sidebar in em or size the inputs in pixels"
<3> do you know what the sidebar is?
<1> hmm... if you use body { font-size: 13px; } you can't specify any relative sizes in IE.
<3> deadroot: that's a work-aroundable css bug, actually
<2> dead
<1> if you don't specify the sizes, IE would resize...
<2> look
<4> StoneCypher: the right_column in my case, right?
<3> uh huh
<5> hax: em is a relative unit. it's based on the size of your fonts. if you measure /all/ the things on your page, like the width of your sidebar, in it - then things will scale nicely with different font sizes
<3> do you know what the inputs are?
<4> gxti: i understand that, but they don't
<4> StoneCypher: yes
<3> okay
<3> do you know what em and px are?
<5> hax: are you setting your sidebar fonts to a size in pixels?
<4> StoneCypher: yes and yes
<3> and you know what the word "or" means?
<2> www.reptile-breeder.net
<2> resize it in ie
<4> gxti: i wasn't setting the font sizes at all initially
<4> StoneCypher: yes
<5> hmm
<3> then what the hell don't you understand
<6> is dorward around?
<3> you have two options
<3> 1) set the size of the inputs in pixels
<5> lilo: i wouldnt bother
<3> 2) set the size of the sidebar in em
<6> gxti: erm?
<6> gxti: bother what?
<4> StoneCypher: #2 is better, right?
<2> does anyone here agree with what i said?
<3> that's a matter of opinion.
<3> i would tend to say yes, but either is reasonable.
<5> lilo: hmmph. i presumed it was wrt the-drew. nevermind then.
<4> StoneCypher: my goal is to have it display well at any font size and resolution
<3> well you can do that
<2> yours has more flaws than mine
<2> wrt?
<3> the issue is to determine whether you want the sidebar to stay the same size or not
<6> the-drew?
<6> I missed what he said
<2> i said you use a base font size of 13px
<3> so if you do, you set the width in pixels, and that means you set the inputs in pixels too, and so you can only see fewer characters at the same time
<2> then make sure you define all other font sizes in pre-set percentages
<3> if you want the sidebar to scale with the text, then you set everything in em
<3> it can work cleanly either way
<2> but they are defined percentages to get the exact pixel size of the font
<5> lilo: nothing of importance, just weak attempts at trolling
<3> so make the choice based on what you want, then i'll show you how to make it happen
<3> lilo: SSDD
<4> StoneCypher: okay
<4> StoneCypher: can you take a look at it now?
<4> http://cheaphacks.info/layout.html
<3> just *pick* already
<2> trust me, stonecypher ****S MEN
<2> notice how he will not deny it
<4> StoneCypher: i did, i picked em
<2> why would you listen to such a person
<1> http://pastebin.ca/109446
<3> okay, then you need to bound that image, and you're done
<1> the-drew: is the above an acceptable example?
<2> THATS BECAUSE 200% ISNT A ****ING DEFINED VALUE IN THE CHART I GAVE YOU
<2> its mathematically based how you get the percentage
<3> either you can center it and make it scrollable when it's undersized, or you can write a quick javascript to calculate the scale by width and then apply it by height too
<2> think abotu it....
<4> the-drew: i still don't understand
<3> your choice
<5> hax: don't try.
<5> hax: there's nothing to understand.
<2> if 13px is 100%
<3> hax: why do you not understand me when i tell you he's trolling you
<2> and you want 14%
<3> put him on ****ing ignore already
<4> StoneCypher: da-drew is a huge troll, we know that already
<3> you apparently don't
<3> because you're still falling for it
<2> you would do simple mathematics to get the percentage value for 14px
<3> and i'm about to give up on you
<2> yes. yahoo is full of ****.
<4> StoneCypher: please don't?
<2> http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/fonts/
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