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<0> it's a preprocessor?
<1> it just allows you to interpolate documents with HTML and ruby in <% %.
<2> whateley: <% %> is conceptually similar to <?php ?>
<1> %>*
<3> bewest: lol yeah, sort of ftw
<0> yeah, but PHP itself is a template language isn't it?
<4> hax: wanna call it a tie and be done with it?
<1> erb is to smarty as fish is to dog
<3> bewest: tie :)
<5> aw
<4> hax: that said, I think you can tighten it up a bit
<5> i was hoping for a fight to the death
<3> bewest: yeah
<2> whateley: yes, and smarty is a framework
<3> bewest: Zeros was helping me do that last night
<3> bewest: but i honestly dont care right now
<4> hwo is smarty a framework?
<4> smarty is a library
<3> bewest: i'm gonna go back after launch and do this whole thing over with TDD
<4> not a framework
<4> TDD?
<4> oh oh
<4> test driven
<0> ok, i'll admit that i actually have no idea what smarty is.
<1> I think smarty counts as a framwork
<5> damn!
<1> +e
<5> i hate when you take a drink of something, and it ends up being completely completely different than what you expect to hit your tongue.
<3> bewest: yeah
<1> hax, I'm 99.5% sure I got all that code working
<5> i thought this pepsi was water.
<3> mikedub: lol
<3> Zeros: you can be involved in the refactor ;0
<1> :P
<3> mikedub: you ever get that thing where you first drink something, like after you havent for a while?
<3> mikedub: and its like super intense?
<5> yeah
<1> hax, sorry about last night, I should have given up and waited until I had some sleep before I confused and frustrated you :P
<3> Zeros: lol, its fine, i learned alot
<1> :)
<5> well, i get that often with ganja.
<3> Zeros: although it did induce a day long fight with my parents
<3> Zeros: but that might have happened anyway
<3> heh
<1> arg, thats no fun
<3> ehh, its okay
<3> they don't want me up late
<3> but i was working
<3> so
<3> ???
<3> lol
<1> haha
<1> well, are you in summer cl***es?
<3> in a half ***ed i-dont-go-to-cl***-in-the-morning kind of way
<1> I mean what are you doing during the week that requires you to be "productive" and not stay up late at night :P
<1> ah
<3> Zeros: they complain i don't have a 'schedule'
<3> or rather, i don't share their schedule
<3> heh
<1> ah yeah I know how that is
<3> how old are you again
<3> lol
<1> my parents used to complain I was wasting my life on the computer... and now look where I am... on the computer
<3> i seriously can't remember
<3> lololol
<1> well I'm not as old as majd thought I was thats for sure
<6> Zeros, i'm half way done with my uml's
<3> majd: lol @ "your uml's"
<1> majd, nice, whats the UML for?
<1> UML is alright if you really use it and it helps you, I tend to draw relational diagrams and flow charts instead
<1> stub files are good for modeling cl***es too, I mean thats what you do with the UML in the end anyway right?
<3> Zeros: use cases ftw :P
<7> `html form
<8> Found for HTML 4.01 - form - http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#edef-FORM
<1> majd, oh I forgot to ask, what version of php are you planning to target with your framework?
<1> oh interesting question hax, logically if you created a new Boolean object, (ie foo = new Boolean() ) what's its default state, true or false?
<1> also if you take an integer and cast it to an array, should you get a one element array with the integer as the the element, or an array with size equal to the integer? :P
<3> Zeros: don't confuse me :P
<3> Zeros: if a tree falls in the forest...
<1> :P
<9> wow the beta firefox extensite of the html validator is GOD DAMN COOL
<10> hi i asked in both #php and #apache channels but no one answers - maybe someone here knows? i put php_flag auto_prepend_file "" in .htacces but it dies with internal server error and error_log contains "/var/www/ZendPlatform/.htaccess: php_value takes two arguments, PHP Value Modifier" - is it php or apache bug?
<11> does anyone have a good reference for learning how the WYSIWYG editors for blog entrys
<11> are made
<12> They're just special browser widgets. Mozilla calls its 'midas', for example.
<12> http://www.mozilla.org/editor/midasdemo/
<13> what's the deal with question marks in black diamonds in firefox? i understand it's something to do with a character set mismatch -- anyone know of an article explaining it?
<6> Zeros, pretty
<1> majd, what?
<14> tremby: Do you have a page in mind?
<14> [meaning, one of yours that has the black boxes w/ ? in them]
<6> oh my bad
<6> i forgot i had a conversation going
<6> yeah
<13> Tresnar: http://www.pocketbookofproofreading.co.uk/quotations.xml
<6> i'm doing the uml diagrams, they help me visualize
<6> visualise (sp?)
<8> Suggestions for "visualise": visualize, visuals, visualizer, visualizes, visualized
<13> Tresnar: all these are proper characters in the database and they're not being changed by php before being output... the first is a right-single quote for example
<13> Tresnar: i suppose i'm just declaring the wrong charset... how do i find out which i should be using?
<13> (in fact, i'm not declaring a charset at all)
<14> tremby: I personally just started flipping through character sets until one worked. At that point, I have the name of a set that renders it correctly.
<13> yeah, that seems logical. just wondering if there's a better way
<1> tremby, tell your web server to send it with a unicode content encoding header
<13> i thought i declare the charset at the top of the xml file somehow?
<1> oh its XML, my bad
<14> Well, once you have that, you need to get your server to specify what character set it's using. In this situation, yours is ISO Latin 1
<13> php's outputting this xml file, so i could spit out a header first. i'm spitting out a mime type anyway...
<14> I think that's also ISO-8859-1 Whichever works.
<1> depends on what it was actually encoded with :P
<13> bingo
<14> Zeros: I'm speaking in this situation.
<13> refresh :)
<1> :)
<13> thanks
<15> anyone have a writely account? :)
<16> I think so, why?
<15> enygma: I heard they've allowed people infinite invites now
<16> cool
<15> enygma: any chance you'd check to see if you could spare one? :)
<3> majd: you here bro?
<3> majd: can i /msg?
<6> yeh
<16> ajnewbold - trying to find where I can send invited from
<16> er invites
<15> enygma: I've never used it before, so I wouldn't know where to look :(
<16> heh
<15> enygma: but I do appreciate you looking :)
<16> hmm, maybe I can make a document and add you too it
<15> enygma: sounds like it's worth a shot :)
<16> email?
<15> (did you get the notice?)
<16> yup
<15> cool :)
<15> no luck enygma?
<16> hmm, I sent it
<15> oh cool
<16> hehe
<15> has it been a while, or did you just do it?
<16> a bit now
<15> oh :(
<15> enygma: did you add me as a "collaborator"?
<15> or was it something else?
<16> yup
<15> hmm
<15> maybe it broke :(
<15> heh
<15> evidently people have been shooting out invites like crazy all day
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