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<mcdenyer> plz i need help installing firefox 1.5 :/
<[FR33_B33R]> adriyel, dynamic resizing is faster
<sirgrim> mcdenyer: sudo apt-get install firefox
<nanotube> !tell mcdenyer about ff1.5
<adriyel> [FR33_B33R], get cozy with XFce, blackbox/fluxbox require that you do all system stuff in console, so its better for you right now
<nanotube> sirgrim, ubuntu repos only have 1.0.7 right now. at least on breezy.
<adriyel> [FR33_B33R], yeah, XFce performed better on my machine too, and by all rights, it should be TOO fast for Gnome, let alone XFce4
<sirgrim> nanotube: ah, didn't notice
<eXSiR> corza; but before do this, be sure that u uninstall nvidia-glx!!
<adriyel> Gnome doesn't really seem to be quite "perfect" unless I have it and the libs optimized
<kash> adriyel: another thing about using the FBSD "bootloader" is that you can't switch harddisks around in a configuration
<[FR33_B33R]> adriyel, i might try it today
<adriyel> [FR33_B33R], try what?
<[FR33_B33R]> adriyel, XFCE... besides.. i love the simplicity here
<psilikon> xfce is fast? it looks like another kde bloated deal
<adriyel> kash, bleh. I've only experimented with BSD, I didn't really see the benefit of using it over something like Gentoo or any other distro
<corza> ok
<kash> i.e. if it's the IDE2 slave on the machine you install, it *must* be on the machine you move the harddisk to - or it bitches and complains about not mounting the root fs correclty :P
<psilikon> never used it but might after what you guys have said here
<adriyel> psilikon, are you retarded? it's GTK based, not QT
<[FR33_B33R]> kde pisses me off completely
<corza> which kernel-headers am i looking to download?
<aeon17x> psilikon: How is it even bloated?
<adriyel> plus, its called the cholesterol free desktop environment
<corza> generic?
<kash> adriyel: it's technically BSD, not linux, and thus cannot be compared to Linux.
<fangorious> anyone using gnucash?
<adriyel> kash, I am aware of that
<[FR33_B33R]> fangorious, whats that?
<psilikon> adriyel, i ***ure you i am not retarded... mis-informed maybe
<kash> cannot find package xubuntu
<kash> wtf
<eXSiR> use konsole to learn ur kernel version with uname -r
<[FR33_B33R]> psilikon, hehhe... chill
<adriyel> but for practicalities sake, unless I am looking for am extreme form of stability/security (fbsd/open), I don't see the purpose
<fangorious> [FR33_B33R]: accounting software, like quicken or ms money
<[FR33_B33R]> oh... i think i need one
<adriyel> psilikon, sorry to be rude, but seriously man, some of the things you say
<psilikon> :)
<fangorious> kash: try xubuntu-desktop
<psilikon> ok.
<adriyel> eXSiR, hows about we don't use ***K***onsole, eh?
<sirgrim> anyone actually read the evms faq? lol i apt-get removed evms, useless
<kameron> how do i unlink a file?
<psilikon> checking out the xfce site now...
<adriyel> GTK for life.
<eXSiR> my english is not good sorry
<[FR33_B33R]> adriyel, i want to make this MAD FAST
<kash> fangorious: it won't install.
<psilikon> what is QT
<kash> it's got "blockers"
<adriyel> [FR33_B33R], XFce4 is as mad fast as it gets, unless you want all your system related stuff being done through the terminal (typically)
<jbzz> kameron: rm the name of the link
<fangorious> psilikon: a gui framework, like gtk, or microsoft's MFC or .Net
<kash> adriyel: what about OpenBox?
<kameron> jbzz, that won't delete the linked shtuff?
<sirgrim> anyone here use cedega?
<[FR33_B33R]> adriyel, does disabling icons etc help?
<adriyel> you can run GTK stuff (including config menu's) in other WM's, but that defeats the purpose of not bloating it up
<kash> sirgrim: how many times have you asked that today?
<adriyel> [FR33_B33R], why do you need all this speed?
<sirgrim> kash: once actually
<jbzz> kameron: That will break the link off from the target file. The target will remain fine.
<fangorious> psilikon: well, it would be more like Windows.Forms in .Net, rather than .Net itself
<phiberacid> ubotu tell ubotu about ubotu
<kash> rofl
<adriyel> kash, openbox doesn't have creature friendly GUI configs like XFce does
<[FR33_B33R]> adriyel, i need things to be responsive..
<adriyel> phiberacid, nice.
<sirgrim> kash: how many times have you rudely accused people today?
<jbzz> kameron: I have done it many times !!
<[FR33_B33R]> adriyel, i like this
<adriyel> [FR33_B33R], I hear ya, thats why I use an optimized distro.
<[FR33_B33R]> still exploring
<kash> sirgrim: i wasn't meaning to be rude, don't just toss that up
<kash> :(
<eXSiR> corza: try this howto, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75074
<sirgrim> cant get ur cedega running or something? :(
<adriyel> [FR33_B33R], after XFce4, you downgrade from a desktop enviroment to a window manager
<kash> sirgrim: who?
<kash> adriyel: well said.
<[FR33_B33R]> adriyel, and that would be?
<sirgrim> kash: u, wondering why u'd question a question on it
<adriyel> window managers are basically excuses to use GUI programs, they aren't environments, they don't provide anything other than a way to click on stuff
<adriyel> kash, thank you
<kash> sirgrim: seen a lot of people ask, that's why.
<kameron> aight, thanks jbzz
<sirgrim> i'd immagine, difficult to configure and newbs need the games
<fangorious> adriyel: true, that's why they're called window managers. desktop environments provide much more
<adriyel> [FR33_B33R], depends upon preference. I like blackbox/fluxbox personally
<adriyel> most people use fluxbox if they use a WM
<Mabus06> kash, sirgrim, just drop it..
<sirgrim> works great :)
<kash> my little sister uses KDE :)
<[FR33_B33R]> adriyel, i might try that too in a day or two
<adriyel> fangorious, I was explaining it to a newer person, don't needlessly reiterate what I've explained
<kash> of course, she's got 3GB of RAM, so it's ok.
<sirgrim> my cat farts in BASIC
<kash> .
<adriyel> [FR33_B33R], be prepared to give up a lot of creature comforts mate, it'll force you to be more inventive/knowledgable
<[FR33_B33R]> adriyel, is this GTK based too? i mean... XFCE
<adriyel> not trying to scare you, just saying
<adriyel> XFce4 IS gtk based, yes
<[FR33_B33R]> sure
<darren123> join #ubuntu
<fangorious> sirgrim: you chould take it on tour
<adriyel> its similar to gnome, just extremely less bloated
<[FR33_B33R]> i like thinfs being FUNCTIONAL
<[FR33_B33R]> so i hate all the CURVY borders, shadows and all that stuff
<sirgrim> fangorious: I did, bill gates said she'd never need bigger than 64x64 litter box
<kash> darren123: ...?
<adriyel> fluxbox isn't as functional, other than letting you use graphical apps, providing a desktop background, and a menu of shortcuts to your fav apps
<adriyel> thats it.
<darren123> sorry wrong window
<paperbaghead> Has anyone seen ifconfig report IANA private IP addresses on public (ISP DHCP controlled) interfaces? Also, has anyone seen it reconfigure itself without ANY user input? Two of my interfaces are supposed to be manually disabled, and only a private IP is supposed to bind (through a switch and router). After a reboot, my netwrok config chnaged without me doing anything to change it. Could a dist-upgrade do this (I know it *sh
<paperbaghead> ouldn't* but has anyone ever heard of this happening)? Is it a *likely* indicatior of a rootkit???!!!
<adriyel> you want to configure fluxbox, you edit a config file in text
<kash> holy hell, how long did that take to type?
<adriyel> you want to configure anything else while using fluxbox, get cozy with the configs
<emile> is ubuntu.com/ubuntulinux.org down?
<sirgrim> ouch my eyeballs are bleeding
<adriyel> paperbaghead, spare us
<phiberacid> você é retardado, você idiot, imbecille, macaco brained o batente do tolo que funciona sua boca stupid você parte lousy de cumpe! 640 KiB forever huhuhuhu!
<adriyel> ....
<kash> adriyel: i hate GUI tools anyways - too far to move my hand from the keyboard to use my mouse.
<[FR33_B33R]> adriyel, i use blender, gimp and inkscape mainly.. along with python
<adriyel> please do not spam the channel please, or I will unleash the dogs of administration upon you :P
<adriyel> [FR33_B33R], there aren't any apps that won't "work" in Fluxbox, its just there aren't really any creature comforts
<adriyel> look at a few screenshots
<sirgrim> i love my gui
<[FR33_B33R]> sirgrim, which one?
<sirgrim> console got boring somewhere around 95
<kash> adriyel: the main reason i tried XFCE in the first place was i believed that the little "kicker" at the bottom was like Mac OS X's (ie zooming on icons)
<paperbaghead> adriyel, what's your problem? Spare you waht? I'm asking for help. If you don't have anything to say to me, why don't you just keep to yourself?
<kash> but i liked the "rusty rail" background, and left XFCE on.
<adriyel> the config menu's in XFce for example, ones that change display resolution and all that jazz don't exist in WM's
<sirgrim> fr33_b33r: anyone i find works well for me and doesn't piss me off enough to purge it
<adriyel> paperbaghead, listen, you're being excessively verbose
<kash> adriyel: sure they do
<sirgrim> just tonight evms got apt-get removed just for ticking me off
<kash> they just give you 3rd party tools, i.e. xres to change the resolution
<adriyel> paperbaghead, take an english cl*** in conciseness, keep it sweet and short, if you want to spam the channel with excessive type, take it elsewhere, thank you
<paperbaghead> adriyel, it was a sweird problem I'm asking about -- hard to describe.
<kash> sweird?
<adriyel> paperbaghead, it didn't require a m*** of text right off the get-go
<kash> what the hell does that mean?
<mcdenyer> !ff1.5
<ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
<adriyel> paperbaghead, I'm done discussing this, just don't spam the chan again
<kash> adriyel: i got flooded by him.
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