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<adriyel> Frogzoo, frankly, you don't know very much about GPU's, or have a vested interest in them, if you're seriously trying to tell me that a GPU will be better at running a kernel than my AMD64
<tritium> thangog: j2?
<adriyel> either that, or clinically schizophrenic with the symptom of reconciling reality with "dream-land"
<Timberwolf_42> I think those who read my last question have given up in disgust lol
<nanotube> leetcharmer, what errors does your command spit out?
<Frogzoo> adriyel: you're shamelessly misrepresenting me - I never said that - scroll up
<thangog> j2=java
<adriyel> I'm merely presenting the possibilities here
<leetcharmer> nanotube, "subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
<tritium> thangog: anything java-related you can blame Sun Microsystems for...it's their licensing that creates the problems
<LordHunter317> hardly.
<adriyel> Frogzoo, hows about this. Tell me why a GPU will run the kernel faster than a general purpose x86 processor.
<leetcharmer> nanotube, "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
<LordHunter317> not all of Java's problems are sun's fault.
<adriyel> convince me
<LordHunter317> Many, but not all.
<thangog> no, i just don't know how. rofl
<tritium> !tell thangog about java
<adriyel> LordHunter317, bytecode....GAH
<psilikon> i am two weeks into linux and have gone from suse to sarge to gnoppix to suse to ubuntu to suse and now back to ubuntu... having a blast but i think ubuntu is gonna be it... best default support i guess... now i need to study up and start running fluxbox... this stuff rocks
<LordHunter317> adriyel: and?
<LordHunter317> python is bytecode
<LordHunter317> .NET is bytecode
<LordHunter317> (normally)
<adriyel> LordHunter317, I don't like .NET or Python
<Krelbel> k
<Frogzoo> adriyel: you grow tiresome - i have better things to do
<LordHunter317> both are fast enough for me.
<leetcharmer> nanotube, any ideas?
<midwinter> psilikon, indecisive huh :)
<adriyel> LordHunter317, I think dev's need to just swallow the pill of compiling apps, unless a much better solution is presented, although for what it accomplishes Java isn't bad
<Krelbel> nanotube: i clicked everything there
<adriyel> Frogzoo, so you bail when asked to present evidence?
<Krelbel> and edited my sources.list
<LordHunter317> adriyel: you are compiling the apps.
<Krelbel> still not finding w32codec
<adriyel> LordHunter317, with java yes.
<nanotube> leetcharmer, hrm... i dont know. i guess your best bet is google. :) sorry.
<LordHunter317> and .NET is a perfectly cromulent solution on Windows anyway.
<psilikon> nanotube, so if i use synaptic to pick up the smp kernel it just uses the .config from my current deal but w/ SMP?
<LordHunter317> well, the infrastructure portion anyway.
<LordHunter317> I won't talk about the BCL.
<Frogzoo> adriyel: I have no interest in discussing the issues with someone who won't read my posts, & hence misrepresents them - it's a waste of my time and yours
<psilikon> yeah.. the gr*** is always greener...
<nanotube> Krelbel, i will paste my sources.list for you, try it?
<adriyel> LordHunter317, .NET apps are somewhat lacking in performance put next to their C/C++ equivalents. similar to a java and c app in Linux put next to each other
<nanotube> hold on... where is that pastebin...
<adriyel> but again, for what it does, java ain't bad
<adriyel> I just don
<adriyel> don't want to code in it
<LordHunter317> adriyel: not conclusively or in all cases.
<LordHunter317> and .NEt makes it trival to run unmanged code anyway.
<Krelbel> thanks
<thangog> kbps good?
<LiteHedded> NZBGET users??
<LordHunter317> stupidly trivial, in fact.
<adriyel> Frogzoo, *sighs* you'll have my full attention, excluding all others, if you precede all messages with my name, and begin to explain why a GPU would run the Linux Kernel faster
<adriyel> LordHunter317, laziness :P
<glaucon> hello anyone, I'm new to ubuntu and linux. Does anyone know of any channels for newbie questions?
<psilikon> i'm kinda shaky on auto updating my kernel since I had problems w/ modules not working when i upgraded the kernel in SuSE's YaST
<LordHunter317> adriyel: and .NEt provides a lazy solution.
<thangog> 500 kilos per second!Q!
<LordHunter317> managed C++ w/ unmanaged c++ is trival if it's in ***embely.
<midwinter> glaucon, this one
<LordHunter317> if it's not, if you're lucky enough to have COM, it's trivial enough.
<thrice`> glaucon, here is fine :)
<adriyel> LordHunter317, necessity mothers investion, sloth mothers innovation
<nanotube> Krelbel, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7760
<bz0b> hey guys
<LordHunter317> if you're not, then you have P/Invoke.
<nanotube> psilikon, yes, your config is preserved. just shoves in a diff kernel in there.
<glaucon> ok.
<adriyel> holy CRAP
<adriyel> its 07:22 already?
<Krelbel> oh
<psilikon> hmm.. and you can do this in synaptic?
<Krelbel> i think i already did the w32codecs
<glaucon> I just have the basic ubuntu breezy installed right now, but when I put in a dvd a few minutes ago the default player didn't play it
<adriyel> by g/f is coming over for the morning in 1-2 hours, and I haven't even been to bed yet!
<nanotube> adriyel, hehe, what TZ are you in?
<Protocol1> its only 9:55 here
<glaucon> does anyone know why that is or if there's a better player out there?
<thrice`> !dvd
<ubotu> Dvd plyaing is possible in Ubuntu with totem, vlc mplayer and other players. You may need !libdvdcss.
<adriyel> nanotube, EST
<thrice`> !libdvdcss
<ubotu> [libdvdcss] DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some DVDs may require libdvdcss2, which is available at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
<thangog> LIMEWIRE AHOY!!!
<nanotube> adriyel, ehrm, i am in EST, and its only 1.56 here. you must be in a different EST. hehe.
<DShepherd> anyone know a program that I can use to m***ively convert mp3s to ogg
<adriyel> nanotube, could my clock be set wrong?
<glaucon> Ok, thanks.
<midwinter> glaucon: you need to do some things to get most media formats working, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
<Krelbel> k there, got w32codecs
<Krelbel> what was I supposed to try after installing that?
<LordHunter317> DShepherd: properly configured lame or mpg321 | oggenc, but why?
<LordHunter317> the quality will be terrible.
<LordHunter317> you'll raise the noise floor subtantially.
<adriyel> nanotube, why was my clock mangled?
<DShepherd> ok
<adriyel> LordHunter317, I dun like ogg. :(
<psilikon> man the BASH is just awesome... power like mug
<adriyel> just doesn't sound as good as mp3 or flac encoded properly
<nanotube> adriyel, hehe i have no clue. i dont know what you did with it :)
<CanYouHelpMePlz> it's too bad they don't make mainstream games for linux
<adriyel> nanotube, supposedly Vidalinux hooked me up with a server
<LordHunter317> they, uhh, do.
<cyphase> CanYouHelpMePlz, there are some..
<adriyel> CanYouHelpMePlz, uhhh, yes they do. Quake 4, Doom3 and UT2k4 all have Linux versions
<psilikon> CanYouHelpMePlz, i thought they had quake 4
<adriyel> Savage has a Linux version
<adriyel> list goes on
<nanotube> Krelbel, dunno, try mplayer/xine/vlc again?
<CanYouHelpMePlz> they have some games yea, but not too many.
<cyphase> CanYouHelpMePlz, unrealtournament, wuake 4, doom3, neverwinter nights..
<Krelbel> xine fails at video still...
<LordHunter317> adriyel: actualy, all the listening tests I've read have shown when a difference is detectable, ogg almost always beats mp3.
<psilikon> oh yeah and pong_amd64_SMP is kinda cool
<cyphase> CanYouHelpMePlz, cedega runs some more too
<adriyel> CanYouHelpMePlz, a good number have Linux versions, NWN is a good example, plus cedega runs everything else just fine
<CanYouHelpMePlz> yea i'm getting cedega.
<adriyel> LordHunter317, really? maybe I was exposed to poorly encoded oggs then
<Krelbel> mplayer fails at subtitles still...
<psilikon> cedega?
<adriyel> mplayer fails at life
<LordHunter317> adriyel: perhaps. I have some earily stuff that's pretty terrible.
<adriyel> ubotu tell psilikon about cedega
<LordHunter317> before the bitrate was standardized.
<LordHunter317> err bitformat.
<adriyel> LordHunter317, I think thats what the problem was
<adriyel> they are earlier oggs
<LordHunter317> i knew one of the early developers. I went to school with him.
<glaucon> hmm...
<Krelbel> aaaaaand vlc fails at everything still
<glaucon> my friend suggested automatix but didn't have time to explain what it was. Does anyone know what that is?
<Frogzoo> !automatix
<ubotu> rumour has it, automatix is messy, it breaks security guidelines. In short: You should not use it! !easyubuntu is a safer alternative, however it is much better to simply read documentation
<Krelbel> so yeah, w32codecs didn't help anythingg ;/
<Krelbel> *anything
<nanotube> Krelbel, well... im out of ideas. sorry :)
<Krelbel> you're not the first person to run out of ideas xD
<LordHunter317> it does a bit more than that.
<nanotube> Krelbel, what kind of mkv file is it? maybe its the fault of the file?
<Krelbel> this has stumped far too many people ;[
<Krelbel> what... kind?
<madewokherd> apt-get is telling me it can't find a bunch of packages
<madewokherd> including hal
<nanotube> Krelbel, hm, wel by what kind i guess i was really trying to ask, how big is it, and if its not too big, send to me, i will try it.
<ilba7r> !tell Krelbel about restrictedformats
<nanotube> Krelbel, and btw, it would make it easier for me to see your posts to me if you prefix them with my name.
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