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<slavik> section for compiler related stuff (which lib installs the gtk headers and such?)
<tritium> Tency: well, you heard wrong.
<Tency> I think not.
<tepy> Tency: You want this to load before or after X?
<adriyel> that_weasel, you seemed to preclude O2 or any optimizations other that was directly decreases size in what you said
<Toma-> nanotube, well to keep a "good" config setup, id add "options i8k force=1" to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases and also (just to be sure) add "i8k" to /etc/modules
<that_weasel> adriyel: it in fact does include all optimizations that are likely to reduce binary size
<nanotube> slavik, they already have a multimedia section... is that not sufficient? :)
<Tency> tepy, I'm only here because one of my friends was abused.
<adriyel> soooo, funroll-loops is out of the question eh?
<adriyel> lol
<slavik> nanotube: no
<that_weasel> adriyel: i didn't "preclude" anything....
<tepy> Ohhh
<adriyel> that lags the proggie just because of IO
<adriyel> that_weasel, misunderstood you, soz
<slavik> nanotube: which lib installs the gtk headers and such?
<that_weasel> adriyel: like i said -0s is for size and it will include optimizations that are "likely" to reduce binary size
<adriyel> I never really understood funroll-loops....most processors have branch-prediction good enough to handle the loop just as fast as it were a sequence of instructions...besides, the increased IO just slows it down
<tritium> Tency: that's far from the truth.
<adriyel> hence why 03 ****s
<Krelbel> can anyone help me get a .mkv file to play? :(
<slavik> nanotube: I am dumping gnome ... it just isn't ***y enough
<Tency> tritium: I'm sure it is.
<tepy> How does somebody get 'abused'. I don't mean to lessen the act of abuse but this is IRC, it's pretty easy to walk away.
<Tency> Unlike my friend, If I'm abused, it will be reported.
<Protocol1> my next task is to get java running on it now
<Protocol1> heh
<brenner> slavik: *** it up then
<Toma-> "oh no, time loaded gimp in 20.04 seconds, but with 686 optimizations it loaded in 19.92 seconds :O~~~"
<that_weasel> adriyel: funroll-loops usually slows you down
<Tency> tepy: tritium banned my friend because of a conversation that went on in PM.
<Tency> It had no affect on this channel.
<sirgrim> hey sethk, got a working/nonworking strace if u can take a look
<adriyel> that_weasel, thats what I just said :P
<slavik> brenner: step 1. use kde instead of gnome
<Krelbel> for this mkv file, xine plays the audio/subtitles, but no video. mplayer plays the video and audio, but no subtitles. vlc doesn't play the video, audio, or subtitles
<tritium> Tency: your friend violated the Code of Conduct. He was abusive towards others.
<adriyel> Toma-, load-times have nothing to do with the optimization I am doing
<nanotube> slavik, libgtk2.0-dev, or libgtk1.2-dev. depends on if you want gtk1 or gtk2
<Tency> No.
<Toma-> ok :)
<Tency> I saw all the logs.
<adriyel> unlike the average browser monkey, my cycles have something to do, thank you.
<brenner> slavik: you have a weird fetish :P
<Tency> He hasn't done anything to anyone.
<tritium> Tency: clearly you did not.
<Krelbel> anyone have any experience with this?
<Toma-> Tency, have you got your tin-foil hat wrapped a little too tightly?
<Tency> Yes.
<that_weasel> adriyel: oh... :)
<nanotube> slavik, heh, gnome is just fine for me for now. but post a screenshot of what you get, afte ryou are done dumping gnome :)
<Tency> He PM'd you and you only.
<Tency> He never said anything to anyone else, retard.
<adriyel> that_weasel, funroll-loops is in the 03 set, which is partly why it ****s.
<Tency> So, ease up on the abuse.
<nanotube> Toma-, thanks for your advice, that seems like a good "ubuntu way" of doing it. i will give it a shot.
<Tency> Faggot.
<adriyel> ...
<Toma-> nanotube, np :)
<micro> anyone have problems booting the ppc dvd release?
<LordHunter317> funroll-loops may or may not slow you down.
<tritium> nice...
<adriyel> things I am thankful for...the fact that my proccy doesn't completely die when I am compiling
<LordHunter317> it's totally code dependent.
<that_weasel> -O2 -pipe probably gives the most notable performace gains but -pipe can often result in binaries that crash or just don't work
<LordHunter317> that_weasel: uhh, no.
<LordHunter317> do you even know what -pipe does?
<adriyel> LordHunter317, it doesn't *typically* help. the logic in most processors is perfectly capable of handling a normal loop
<LordHunter317> if it results in broken binaries, it's because gcc is eitehr toally broken, or you have a system problem.
<LordHunter317> adriyel: no, it's code dependent.
<LordHunter317> tight loops benefit from unrolling.
<adriyel> thats I said typically
<LordHunter317> nearly all SMID code is unrolled to cache files.
<adriyel> short bursty style loops, yeah
<adriyel> SIMD?
<LordHunter317> adriyel: that's dangerous grund.
<nyc-h0st> anyone here good with wireless networks, and no i dont mean setting up a wireless hub, i need something long range and how to set it up
<slavik> nanotube: you saw the wallpaper, right?
<slavik> nanotube: I also like the kooldock
<LordHunter317> adriyel: no, not short, bursty.
<airmikey> configure: error:
<airmikey> DVDStyler requires gettext-tools.
<airmikey> Please check that msgfmt is in path.
<slavik> gdesklets version is not ***ay enough
<Krelbel> any of you have experience getting a .mkv video file playing in ubuntu? =/
<slavik> Krelbel: no
<LordHunter317> what I was going to say is that GCC typically does a terrible job unrolling loops.
<LordHunter317> it's not an optimizing compiler.
<Krelbel> argh ;[
<LordHunter317> ICC does a far better job, and it's eaiser to hint to ICC.
<slavik> Krelbel: did you try the wiki?
<Krelbel> yeah
<Krelbel> as i said
<tuxedo_kamen> hi everyone
<Krelbel> for this mkv file, xine plays the audio/subtitles, but no video. mplayer plays the video and audio, but no subtitles. vlc doesn't play the video, audio, or subtitles
<nanotube> Toma-, well... i made the changes you recommend... but i will reboot later, when i dont have a bunch of stuff open :)
<slavik> Krelbel: rofl
<tuxedo_kamen> so... now, does anyone know how to install an USB modem on Ubuntu?
<Krelbel> xine as in totem, xine-ui, *and* gxine
<adriyel> LordHunter317, ICC is more optimized yes...but they used dirty tactics to degrade performance on AMD processors
<minuto> hi back and good morning
<adriyel> and it's not open source, so ICC can lick my ***
<LordHunter317> adriyel: no, not especially.
<slavik> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-80084.html
<adriyel> LordHunter317, you haven't read the article then huh?
<slavik> what about gstreamer?
<LordHunter317> they just generate code that's esp. optimized for a p4, which amds tend to do bad one.
<Krelbel> hmm
<Krelbel> haven't tried that
<adriyel> LordHunter317, that's a load of bullsh1t
<slavik> seems like gstreamer is the next thing in linux multimedia
<LordHunter317> adriyel: the fud one? yes. it's not apparent icc's behavior is totally deliberate.
<Krelbel> *tries*
<LordHunter317> and it's easy to generate code that's quite desperate between the two.
<LordHunter317> at any rate, suboptimal ICC is still better than optimal GCC in lots of cases, so who cares?
<that_weasel> LordHunter317: sorry, i guess that was misleading...i spend alot of time compiling and -pipe makes a huge diffence in how long that takes
<varsendagger> what is vida linux?
<LordHunter317> that_weasel: right, that's true.
<adriyel> LordHunter317, my processor has any flag that a P4 does. including SSE3, if I tell it to compile EXACTLY the same way as a P4, it'll still drop performance enhancing options or flags, because it doesn't detect my proccy as an AMD
<LordHunter317> but it has no effect on output code.
<Krelbel> oh
<Krelbel> hm
<LordHunter317> if it does, GCC is broken.
<Krelbel> i already have gstreamer
<tuxedo_kamen> ...
<adriyel> LordHunter317, question, are you an Intel zealot?
<LordHunter317> adriyel: no.
<LordHunter317> processor zealtory is silly.
<adriyel> LordHunter317, what processor is in your present boxen?
<LordHunter317> and all the processors to be zealous about are all dead.
<Toma-> cyrix all tha way
<adriyel> LordHunter317, LOL.
<LordHunter317> adriyel: that's borderline personal attack, I'll ask you to refrain.
<LordHunter317> it's a non-sequitur at anyrate.
<adriyel> I'm asking what is in your box
<tuxedo_kamen> does anyone know how to install an USB modem on Ubuntu???
<adriyel> I am curious
<that_weasel> -pipe on Firefox builds (or at least with 1.0.3-1.0.5) resulted in an unstable firefox..
<LordHunter317> and? it's irrelevant.
<LordHunter317> that_weasel: then you found a gcc bug or your compiler installation is broken.
<LordHunter317> -pipe has /0/ effect on output code.
<adriyel> LordHunter317, *furrows eyebrows* benefit of the doubt gives me my answer
<LordHunter317> or more likely, you have a hardware problem.
<LordHunter317> adriyel: no, it doesn't. Go take a logic course.
<tuxedo_kamen> -_-
<that_weasel> more than likely its an issue with the compilation of gcc itself
<slavik> usb modem dude: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=77879
<brenner> tuxedo_kamen: what sort of modem?
<Toma-> tuxedo_kamen, have you search the forums?
<tuxedo_kamen> icedata 500
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