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<0> thoyyarusso-thanks, I'll try that
<1> ITSa341, I backup up mine with rsync. dd works too. Don't know what's best.
<2> jordan, in irc you can type the first couple letters of a persons name and hit tab (afaik)
<2> you seem to be getting names wrong.. just thought id point that out
<0> Mordof, thanks
<3> jordan: I'm pretty sure it
<3> i hate '
<2> in most clients, when you say a persons name it highlights it for them, making it easier for them to help you
<0> Mordof, first time ever
<2> jordan, in that case, welcome to the wonderful world of irc :)
<4> ITSa341: I used 'tar' to back up the home directory of the oneandonly user on my kids machine back when they were smaller. Pressing alt-uparrow automatically restored it.
<3> jordan: I'm pretty sure it's been -safe-mode for a while, what does it say when you try? invalid option?
<0> _jason, it booted into safe mode, I'm logging in right now
<0> Mordof, thanks
<4> not a bad kiosk setup really
<0> _jason, I did --safe-mode and it worked
<5> tonyyarusso Would it take forever to backup a large partition with rsync?
<0> _jason, I'm trying to log into gmail right now
<6> ITSa341: finite time ;)
<5> zcat I really need to find something that does complete recovery from a non bootable system or at best a live cd. Can you tar a complete partition?
<0> my problem wouldnt have anything to do with being on dial-up, would it?
<4> yes.
<2> jordan, what is your problem exactly?
<3> jordan: probably not, I have used it fine with dial-up
<2> jordan, gmail works perfect on dialup, just loads slower..
<4> well, you can hack a script for a live CD that recreates the filesystem, untars over the network, and restores the MBR.
<0> Mordof, it used to work, like last week, just this weekend and today it wont, but it did in links, a text mode browser, just not in firefox, should I reinstall firefox?
<5> hmm, just answered my own question I think. Could I boot a live cd, backup the partitions to a second disk and then if they have trouble they just switch boot disks in bios? Can ya think of an easier way for people who know how to point and click and not much more? I am very open to ideas here!! :-)
<2> jordan, worth a shot
<7> im ***uming you guys are pretty busy usually. im still here just doing homework.
<0> Mordof, ok, I'll try
<6> ITSa341: the sysresccd.org iso is very useful for such tasks - no X, just zsh and many handy tools
<2> jordan, if it works for everything but firefox, it would seem to be that firefox isnt working properly.. but i dunno it could be something else. ruling out possibilites is the only way to solving a problem though ;)
<1> ITSa341, Depends how large.
<3> jordan: does google's html mode work?
<0> Mordof, yeah, I will reinstall with synaptic now
<5> amphi this needs to be usable by secretaries and reservationists who know nothing of linux or commands of any type.
<2> _jason, hmm, forgot about that mode :P heh, sorry
<0> _jason, I dont know how to access that without getting onto the inbox
<1> ITSa341, I did maybe 30G in maybe 45 minutes? Not exactly sure of that number.
<4> just make them a live CD to use, they can't screw it up in the first place.
<6> ITSa341: I meant for you
<3> jordan: the link for me is: http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html&zy=f
<8> join /#ubuntu-es
<5> tonyyarusso that I could live with. This is for an office 2 1/2 hours from here. and they need to be able to get back up and running with no help or very little.
<3> soberon: /join #ubuntu-es
<8> thanks
<4> I think secretaries whouldn't need root, so there's little they can screw up and backing up home directories should be enough.. plus a magic key to restore everything
<1> ITSa341, Ah.
<6> ITSa341: if the two disks are identical, you could just dd one to the other
<5> ahhh my win4lin windowsXP installation says 4 minutes to completion!!!
<4> BAH to dd mirrors. Use tar or cp -a and just dd the boot record..
<0> _jason, I'm trying that link right now
<5> amphi sounds good time to read about dd ( I'm very much a newbie to linux desktops)
<0> _jason, its doing the same thing as the other link
<6> zcat[1]: you have to make the partitions too then, but yeah, dd is wasteful
<4> :-) dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/hda :-)
<0> _jason, it worked it worked!
<9> finally got around to installing ubuntu, what video player do you all recommend?
<4> It'd work, but you'd spend a while copying all the blank space on the drive too..
<0> reqage, xine is pretty good
<6> ITSa341: good to have a big value for bs=
<9> I'll check it out, thx
<5> uh oh, temp is climbing on this laptop. I'm thinking win4lin might just load it up more than vmware did. This is an emachines m5305 they are known for overheating.
<10> which is better win4lin or vmware?
<6> ITSa341: 'undervolt' the processor ;)
<3> jordan: now only if you could figure out why standard doesn't work... seems like it's javascript related. But since it didn't work in safe mode it means it probably isn't a setting or extension issue
<5> amphi wish I could, these m5305's don't get much time on batteries anyway.
<4> I dropped my media machine from 1.7 to 1.45v -- it was a bit unstable.. It's been running 1.55v all week though and it's great. Quite a bit cooler
<5> phiber_optic I'm comparing win4lin to vmware now. Ask me in a couple weeks. :-)
<11> phiber_optic, I'm using crossover office
<5> ssstormy I use crossover office also
<4> ..afk
<12> Could you help me plz?
<10> are anya of these software free?
<0> _jason, I dont know, it didnt have the link to go to normal mode on the top like it usually does when you are in html, I just reinstalled firefox so I had to close it down but I am opening it back up now
<6> zcat[1]: made a big difference to my stinkpad - 70+C to ~ 50C under heavy load
<11> lazyM0m3nt, specify the problem first, or no one can help
<11> amphi, lol. I'm oc'ing right now
<5> phiber_optic Wine is free and I think you can still get an open source version of crossover office
<8> Excuse me... somebody can tell me what's the name of an applicaon for managing the Grub? I had he chance to see some with an icon of a red switch
<12> why when my XMMS play music that oi cant hear sound from any program
<3> jordan: maybe it's the chat feature, that happens to coincide with the timing
<11> wish I could overclcok my xbox too, cause compiling kernels is something that I want speed for
<11> lazyM0m3nt, try saying that again- I'm confused...
<6> soberon: grub config is normally 'managed' with a text editor
<1> !tell lazyM0m3nt about esd
<0> _jason, it works really fast now, I dont know what gives, maybe it happened when I reinstalled java and didnt restart firefox
<3> jordan: oh, maybe
<12> ESD ?
<12> WHAT ?
<5> phiber_optic company bought me crossover office, vmware and win4lin to evaluate and compare them from a beginners point of view ( can a beginner install, setup and use it easily and dependable ) I'm trying them all
<1> lazyM0m3nt, read the stuff from ubotu and the page linked to and it should start to make more sense.
<3> lazyM0m3nt: go to preferences in xmms and choose ESD as the output
<0> _jason, I've been using ubuntu full time for 3 months now, it was difficult to get dial-up to work for me
<6> ITSa341: and the conclusion is ? ;)
<13> hey, need help getting a soundcard working
<10> ITSa341, I guess Ill wait for your conlcusion
<12> NO ESD
<5> amphi just finishing up the win4lin setup now
<1> jordan, Yeah, dialup was the interesting point for me just getting started too.
<3> jordan: yeah, when I'm home I have to use windows. My modem driver costs like 15 bucks a year which I am not going to pay
<2> jordan, i know what you mean... i stopped using linux while i was on dialup
<5> says 2 minutes now.
<12> It has ALSA , eSound and OSS
<1> _jason, a year? Which driver?
<3> lazyM0m3nt: choose alsa
<2> _jason, you have to pay money per year for modem DRIVERS???
<5> brb
<0> I found an old real modem in my basement from my windows 3.1 days and used it perfectly with linux, you guys should try it with one of those babies, worked like a charm
<14> _jason: get broadband
<12> Thanks a Lot!
<15> jordan: older modems won't support the later faster protocols v52 etc
<3> tonyyarusso, Mordof: conexant, and I was wrong it's 19.99
<12> It's Work
<6> _jason: the linuxant driver?
<2> _jason, ohhh, my tv tuner is conexant
<3> Protocol1: heh I have broadband, I just use dialup when I go home for vacations and such, although dsl is getting cheap
<1> _jason, You don't have to pay each year though, only if it stops working after a kernel upgrade.
<2> _jason, speaking of which, i need to get my tv tuner working in ubuntu
<3> tonyyarusso: ah, right that was it
<1> _jason, (Same driver)
<14> i see
<0> but then my isp (peoplepc) scrambles my p***word into a 27 digit p***word that I had to use dialguard 1.1 to find it out
<2> _jason, i just dropped windows ENTIRELY and i have no idea how im gonna do a bunch of stuff on linux :S im hoping i can get it all working decent
<1> _jason, At which point you can always boot the older kernel while at the location which requires dialup.
<0> I read an acticle on mythtv, it looks really cool for tvtuners
<1> Mordof, Nice! Cold turkey OS switching...
<3> tonyyarusso: that's true. Don't know if it's worth 20 bucks to me though
<1> _jason, For me it was either that or have no internet over Christmas break.
<2> tonyyarusso, heh, yeah... well it wasnt QUITE cold turkey, i mean.. i installed dual boot for a couple days, but then decided i wanted to go all out linux
<1> Mordof, Ah, okay.
<0> I went cold turkey too, but I still have M$ on my box for my dad to play hearts, havnt been able to find a hearts clone for linux
<2> tonyyarusso, im still kinda new to linux, so ill probably be asking alot of questions soon :P
<16> mordof lol @ the switch. i'm jealous actually. i sorta need to keep that other os around for things cos im a web developer
<17> so when i get new docs from the synaptic, how do i read them?
<1> jordan, "Floater is a free program for duplicate bridge play on the Internet. It also supports non-duplicate bridge and 3-player hearts." <-- Might be a start
<2> elky, so am i, why do you need another OS for web development, what kinda stuff do you do
<0> tonyyarusso, can you play it without internet?
<16> mordof uh, asp.net :)
<1> jordan, Don't know. Just got that from apt-cache.
<12> Sorry, I'm newbie in IRC Chat.
<5> win4lin machine is rebooting now
<12> I can't use this well. How can i send PM to anyone in Channel
<1> elky, Silly you.
<2> elky, er, apache has asp.net module support.. and linux has .net support, does it not?
<0> tonyyarusso, kay, I'll try it
<16> mordof well, learned at school, cant just throw away money opportunities
<2> elky, you dont need another os to do asp.net
<16> mordof im better at php though
<0> mono=.net
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