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<0> linux needs improvement in sound and printing management then I think itll be as easy to use as windows...you got multiple sound & printing systems competing with each other
<1> Martolod, you need to install xnest
<2> mustar5, i used to connect that way before
<3> Seveas, it's done
<4> robbie_: isn't that how most FOSS works?
<5> j-linux you did adjust /etc/fstab to reflect the change, and reinstall grub from the new local (***umes /boot moved also) ?
<0> half of the sound apps are hard coded for one sound system or the other
<0> oss or alsa
<0> whats foss?
<6> mosi: Yes, but with Windows coming with PCs by default is the determining factor.
<3> which Xnest
<3> /usr/bin/Xnest
<7> Agent_bob: we're working on it :)
<4> robbie_: its the same way with desktop environments, you just don't notice.
<8> www.exonotion.com/carpc <- my friend is actually talking to me from this right now.. haha
<1> Martolod, then gdmflexiserver --xnest should work
<4> robbie_: Free & Open Source Software
<0> yeah true
<0> there should be some kind of standards body I think
<7> nhaines: computer illiterate grandparents follow the trend. If businesses start using linux widely, vendor will start shipping it. if vendors ship it, it will be cheaper. if it's cheaper, the end-user will start to migrate.
<5> mosi ok, i'll go back to lunch then ;)
<7> Agent_bob: thanks anyways :P
<9> Mosi: hmm... looks like more there than I saw. Notepad (arrgg..) doesn't handle linux line-termination characters. anyway, here it is: http://pastebin.com/597542
<0> or some kind of compatability layer between sound & printing systems
<10> FlannelKing: : sounds like FLOSS, Free, Lame and Open Source Software, nah just kidding...
<6> j-linux, DOS edit command can handle Linux endlines. :)
<9> Agent_bob: I didn't do any of that :S
<3> Seveas, no it doesn't :( look at that image : http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1156/screenshot14fb.png
<9> I downloaded jEdit... will install that later...
<6> Mosi: Yes, that's true, but with no support and so many "borrowed" copies of Windows going around, plus a lock on retail software, well, it's more complicated than that.
<11> robbie_, try Shift + numlock
<4> KakiPukul: yes, well, I didn't come up with it ;)
<0> worked
<11> robbie_, then use the num pad for directions
<12> Im getting an error when i try to unpack winetools
<0> thanks for that
<11> robbie_, its very slow
<11> :)
<12> tar: winetools-0.9jo-III.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
<1> Martolod, interesting - did you mess with gdm.conf manually?
<11> robbie_, I had to google it in the end
<3> Seveas, no
<12> but it's there on my desktop
<11> robbie_, http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/movecursor.html
<11> robbie_, above link for all options
<0> ok
<10> Ramnath: : are you sure you are on the correct pwd?
<7> j-linux: if you go down towards the bottom of the files you can see the boot label entries. Hint: any line that starts with a # is completely ignored by the compiler, so look for blocks of lines without # at the beginning
<12> pwd?
<7> j-linux: er, GRUB, not compiler, lol. too many programming cl***es this semester ^_^
<13> wow, irssi is a completely different world than xchat
<7> Ramnath: Power Word Dookie
<9> Mosi: so... Line 105 says root (hd0,0)... do I want to change those lines?
<14> how do i install opera?
<5> Ramnath present working dir
<14> wait...
<7> steven_: fun, eh?
<14> !opera
<15> somebody said opera was not in the Ubuntu repositories, but you can always download the latest Opera .deb package from http://www.opera.com/download/ and then see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser
<14> heh.
<9> g0dchild: automatix can install it.
<16> g0dchild, beat me to it :P
<5> Ramnath or p***word heh
<16> !tell j-linux about automatix
<12> present working directory
<1> j-linux, automatix is a virus
<1> don't use it
<9> Madpilot: hmm... thanks for that info...
<12> is that what you mean?
<9> Seveas: a virus?
<14> :( it is? how come?
<7> j_linux: that's the start of the label section, yes. but don't change that line. What you need to change is the line that starts with kernel.
<9> Seveas: what does it do?
<1> yes, it has quite a few properties of a virus
<10> Ramnath, type "pwd", see what directory are you on now? the file is on your home "Desktop" right, you need to cd to that "Desktop" directory firsr :)
<9> Seveas: is it malicious software?
<17> automatix shouldnt be used, seriously
<18> Seveas, a plague I would say
<1> it's horribly destructive, written by a 14-year-old punk who can't program
<9> If automatix is bad, it should be removed from the ubuntu forums
<1> and does crap to your system beyond belief
<19> Seveas: are you talking about php?
<5> Ramnath there is a veriable set that will show the present working directory $PWD Ramnath (linux standards...)
<1> Jhair, no php is heaven compaired to automatix
<1> (php still is quite hellish)
<14> i've been using gentoo all this time- but due to a shortage of bandwidth I am being forced to switch to another distro- ubuntu naturally, was the most favoured one- for transitional n00bs like meself-
<19> Seveas: ohhh automatix of course :)
<12> i see
<6> Hm, that's interesting. Why am I using XChat over SSH on my Windows machine when I coud have just used irssi? ;)
<1> nhaines, very good question
<7> j-linux: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash needs to be changed. try changing the root parameter to sdb1, because that seems like a likely one. (kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-686 root=/dev/sdb1 ro quiet splash)
<14> but i do miss the build feature with options....
<14> what has ubuntu got to offer in the way of compensating for custom build options ?
<6> Wasn't it Jeff Waugh who recently said in a presentation, "Ubuntu is an ancient African word for 'I'm sick of compiling Gentoo.' "?
<7> j-linux: once we figure out what the correct file is, you'll want to change all the label blocks to the correct file, but let's just try the top one until we get the right one
<5> Ramnath in the irc client type "/exec echo $PWD "
<9> Mosi: is that the link 106?
<3> Seveas, # the X nest command
<3> Xnest=/usr/X11R6/bin/Xnest -br -audit 0 -name Xnest
<3> lol !
<9> sorry... line 106
<7> j-linux: yes
<3> while it is /usr/bin/Xnest !
<13> ssh from windows?
<16> nhaines, Ubuntu appears to have a number of translations :P
<13> why?
<13> nvm haha
<6> g0dchild, mostly that things Just Work and that you're not losing more than maybe 2-5% efficiency.
<1> Martolod, hmm, is your system perhaps an upgraded hoary system?
<12> yeah
<3> Seveas, no, an upgraded breezy to dapper
<12> i found it
<3> Seveas, is it possible to reload the gdm config without restart it ?
<6> steven_: ssh from Windows is nice because I can work on any computer with any program. :)
<1> Martolod, not that I know of
<3> ok
<13> yeah, i just realized that after I said it. haha
<12> apparently it works now
<6> Although I'm working on the pruning and sorting and backing up that'll let me jump entirely to Ubuntu and just run Windows in VMware when I need the two programs that don't work in wine. :)
<12> thanks for the help
<13> does the -X work?
<9> Mosi: should I just change that line 106 to sdb1 ?
<6> And if Windows let me cherrypick the remote apps I wanted like Linux/SSH/Cygwin does, I'd have switched long ago! :D
<9> (backup first of course)
<7> j-linux: not the whole line, just change the 'boot=' parameter from 'boot=/dev/sda1' to 'boot=/dev/sdb1'
<13> OK, for example, you could use putty to ssh into your nix box right,and when you ssh can you -X and get the GUI still?
<9> Mosi: ok :) just a min.
<7> j-linux: the only thing you should have to change is one letter, a to b in sda
<9> Mosi: ok
<6> Yeah. In fact, on the wiki there's even a howto to use XDMCP and overlay a Gnome desktop, so you can use proggies from both environments seamlessly! :D
<14> nhaines, even so- i am often used to strip down the applications to only those functions i'd need - notwithstanding, ubuntu seems to be good in its own way- i suppose
<10> just enables XDMCP with GDM login manager right?
<13> WOW, I did not realize that. Thanks for the info.
<6> It doesn't work for me (doubtless a problem with my Cygwin/X config) but SSH'ing in and running proggies is almost as good.
<6> That's how I'm running XChat and typing here right now. :D
<4> XDMCP uses UDP, so it won't work through most routers. Just on LANs
<8> i just realized when trying to install the ATI graphics drivers for ubuntu, i get an error saying my xorg is 7.0 when the packager was meant for i think 6.8
<13> FlannelKing, couldn't you port route for UDP in your router?
<9> Mosi: I'm trying to read how to write, and it's saying that it's a bit experiemental and can ruin your data if it crashes. I should probably do it with Knoppix... :S
<10> isn't it what XDCMP supposed to do... local access only?
<20> you don't need XDMCP to use other applications
<20> just use X11 forwarding
<21> write what, ntfs? don't.
<9> Mosi... or maybe I can download puppy linux, burn it to my usb and use it...
<4> steven_: I dont know. havent tried.
<10> btw you can reroute the connection
<7> j-linux: probably :/
<9> jetscreamer: write ex2 with windows :S
<13> I set up a ssh and could still get X11 from non-local IP
<4> Whatsisname: yeah, but to log into your desktop completely, its rather ***y.
<7> j-linux: also, keep in mind you have two problems going on here
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