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<0> oh look, xchat re-arranged my channel order for me again <1> benJIman: ah... nice <2> frb: yeah, you have the channels listed as part of your server connect, unfortunately they show in the order that they are completely opened,not in the order you attempt to open them. <1> I'm about ready to just go ahead and buy NLD 10 when it comes out... summer 2006 apparently... ugh... <0> scampbell, they show in whatever goddamn order they want <0> scampbell, this is on a server reconnect, when I already had them in certain frames <0> it reconnects, makes a new frame for #suse, puts #javascript in the #cs window, ignores the old #suse frame, and **** like that <1> my oss-10 is just about screwed up enough now (by me playing around, of course...not out of the box) that I'm ready to do a reinstall... <2> frb: yes, if you are in #a, #b and #c and the server reconnects then opens channels in the order #b #c #a then that's how they display. It is annoying. <0> if I had something better for windows, I'd use it, I'm beginning to loathe gtk <2> frb: we're victims of timing essentially, xchat needs some sort or placeholder for the channel tabs. <1> though, apparently getting sax2 updated will somehow improve the quality of my life... too bad I can't seem to get the damned thing to compile... ;o) <0> scampbell, or the order to rearrange them myself, like konversation has <2> frb: yep. that's what I was trying to imply with 'placeholder' :) <2> frb: bottom line... some danged control! <0> I would never use xchat on linux
<2> frb: i should probably switch too, just used it forever. <3> i dont need anything from an irc client other than a well presented chat area, channel tabs, user list etc <3> and konversation fits the bill for that nicely <4> suse's version of xchat looks good too <2> well then, I'll just switch now and see if I can get used to it. <3> something i never thought about before konversation is having different coloured names in the main chat window <3> so much easier to follow conversations in a busy channel <5> I'm still using irssi <5> and why not <3> i dont like in xhcat its like they have used a list control to present the main chat lines <4> can the nvidia installer be used on suse or does it have to be done through yast? <5> kronoz: you can use the nvidia installer just fine <5> sometimes it work better <0> !nvidia <6> If you are not using YOU - Yast Online Update to setup your card, read carefully: http://www.suse.de/~sndirsch/nvidia-installer-HOWTO.html <3> so when you resize the chat column it can overlap the timestamp column <5> make sure you have gcc and so on installed, and the kernel source package, before you do it <4> yeah, nvidia-xconfig is useful as well,. i'll check the kernel sources <3> SpooForBrains: why not indeed :) <2> There now I'm on konversation. <3> i like the osd in konversation, lets me know when someone is speaking to me when im playing WoW <2> cenuij: which is very important if you want to irc chat while at work :) <7> does anyone use kopete for irc? <3> god no, i always found using IM clients for irc to be backward and frustrating <5> eurgh, no <5> cenuij: me too <7> okay :) <5> although given the poor selection of clients on Windows, I actually used Trillian for a while <7> i wasn't able to conntect, so i installed xchat <7> which works fine <0> xchat is bad, if you like kde, try konversation <2> I'm really more a gnome guy but konversation looks fine under it too. <7> what are the pros? <4> anyone know where i can get nvidia-xconfig for suse? <2> of gnome vs KDE, I refuse! Use what you like, you have the choice. <5> kronoz: what does that do? <8> kronoz: it's in the newer nvidia drivers, it's not very good <8> SpooForBrains: does some limited X configuration, and makes a bit of a mess of things <2> I do make it a point to get well familiar with a wide range of display managers, I've certainly used some lightweights for some projects. <7> frb: wow, nearly 10mb for konversation? what the heck does it do? <4> SpooForBrains: configures xorg.conf for nvidia drivers <0> tonz, everything an irc client should <5> kronoz: that's what sax2 is for :) <8> kronoz: you don't want to use it anyway, it makes a mess of things <8> just running switch2nvidia will do that anyway <0> xchat isn't exactly a small application either <8> or sax2 <1> ...speaking of sax2... <5> what annoys me is that switch2nv uninstalls the driver instead of just removing it from xorg.conf <1> anyone try to update theirs from the 2003 version to make it compatible with xorg 6.9/7.0? <8> because it has to replace it with the mesa gl <5> oh, right, of course <4> well i need nvidia 7676 version for my card because of an annoying bug <0> actuall, xchat looks to be about 4.4M installed size, without plugins <9> There's always Gaim, tonz, handy for a variety of messenger protocols <10> how do you keep grep from getting into a recursive directory loop? <7> chaddy: no thanks, dunno why but i don't like it <7> well, i'll try konversation <3> Beer load [ \ ] 10% <2> So far the only thing I don't like about koversation is the little green dot for notification of new messages, I've even set it to blink but I'd like a bigger queue there, I got used to Xchat changing the color of the tab text. maybe with some time I'll get used to it... maybe I'll get better gl***es. <8> scampbell: it doesn't have the green dot in the latest version
<7> back again <4> how do i enable the nvidia driver in sax2? <2> sax2 -m 0=nvidia <2> that's a zero <2> benJIman: so they didn't like the little dot either :) <3> scampbell: go to Notifications > Tab Bar <3> in the config <3> you can have the dot, or not <3> or coloured text <3> or not :) <2> cenuij: I'm using koversation 0.18 as delivered with suse10.0 I don't think that option exists unless I pull a newer version. <3> hmmm <3> i had no 'led' on my tabs in previous versions <2> And it's really not an earthshattering issue <2> hmm <8> you can configure it in the old version <3> its called 'Use colored LEDs' <8> default and all the tab code has changed in the new version <2> I have settings -> configure konversation -> behaviour -> tab bar and then the only option I see of use is to blink the LED... <3> you have the 'Notofications' section underneath 'Behaviour' / <3> ? <2> no, notifications is under 'configure konversation' but there just 'watched nickname', 'highlighting' and 'on screen display' and none of them have any appropriate option. Are you using the current vers with Suse10.0 or something else? <3> 0.19 <3> though, i had none in previous versions <3> so i must have switched it off <2> okay, different vers. suse10.0 ships (and possibly updates to) 0.18. It might be a theme thing perhaps. <3> somewhere <0> being a pioneer ****s <3> ah indeed, themes <2> the themes only seem to affect how emoticons are rendered :( Of course, we can presume that I'm looking right at the option but not seeing it ! <11> anymo: I have seen computers not powering off when `halt` was entered, but never not rebooting... <12> jengelh: my laptop simply stalls at the point when it should reboot <12> for example : when I click reboot on log out <12> or after using live cd <12> or when first part of installation is done <12> and then laptop should reboot <12> it never does.. <13> anymo, does it perform shutdown sequence ? <13> like unmounting things, killing apps ? <12> yes <3> scampbell: [17:19] <pinucset> cenuij settings, configure themes <12> perfectly <12> only reboot won't work <13> anymo, probably acpi <3> apparently you can turn it off there <13> are there any acpi errors upon bootup ? <12> I don't think so.. <12> but I never checked <13> you can check with dmesg <13> you aren't p***ing acpi=off by the chance ? :) <12> I don't know... <12> how do I check that? :O <2> cenuij: no such option, just appearance -> themes and I can pick one. none of them listed affect the tabs at all. really, don't worry about it. I dont' want to keep muddying up the channel with this :) <12> how would I turn the acpi on? <12> if it is turned off <11> reboot with acpi=on / acpi=ht <12> but why none of distros won't work? <12> neither live cds, suse, ubuntu, debian <12> none will reboot <12> there must be something in general <11> init 6 <11> that's ultrageneral and works on 90% of all SYSV/BSD-style platforms <11> or, <11> as a last resort (BE WARNED): `reboot -f` <12> but I can do none of that for example when installation is finished.. <12> that first part <3> scampbell: ok :) u could always just updated it then heh <12> and then it says that it'll reboot <12> and it never does.. <11> well the check why <12> then I have to force it to turn off <11> turn off != reboot <12> I know <2> cenuij: yes I could :)
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