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<0> you said you'd believe me, so stfu and believe me
<1> ...
<2> frb-work: i belive you, but all the same, i'd like to say that rpm ****s.
<3> rohan: why does it ****?
<0> you don't know the half of it
<2> you cant blame suse .. its trying to use a old, b0rken package management system
<4> how do I find my local ip in suse 10.1?
<2> frb-work: maybe, but i know the rpm half
<2> Gumby: a sec, lemme find the article
<1> rpm **** ... ebuild **** .... deb **** ... forgot anything ?
<3> bill-barriere: hehe. dont forget source ****s
<2> bill-barriere: deb doesnt ****, havent tried ebuild.
<1> ...
<0> rohan: what's the rpm version comparison function called? what are the variables it uses to do such a comparison? What special cases are used when comparing releases?
<5> Peppa: ifconfig
<6> Everything ****s! Death to all operating systems! Empty hard drives 4-ever!
<0> deb ****s too
<2> http://distrowatch.com/article-rpm
<2> frb-work: well, havent had any problems here .
<3> rohan: a package management system is only as good as its maintainer.
<7> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060517/sfw026.html?.v=53 <- Anybody know if it would be legal to develop closed source drivers for this new developer kit from Novell?
<2> Gumby: cliche ;) anyway .. read http://distrowatch.com/article-rpm
<2> you will know why i say it ****s
<0> 11 years of linux, 4 years as a build engineer tells me I know more than anyone not actively maintaining packages here
<1> frb-work, your a noob
<3> rohan: lmao, the first paragraph isnt very....um....well...knowledgable. of course a package is going to have dependancies.... freakin idiot
<1> just an advanced one
<0> that is, more about the ****fulness of package management systems
<2> frb-work: i tend to agree .. but would you challenge http://distrowatch.com/article-rpm ?
<2> Gumby: read the complete article
<8> does anyone know what type of sensor is on nvidia cards?
<8> i've read conflicting information in the intarweb :/
<8> lm_sensors seemed to detect some kind of sensor for it, but that was with the nv driver. I think the nvidia driver blocks access to the hardware somehow
<0> I read it, he doesn't know what he's talking about
<3> rohan: I dont have time to read the full article, but it sounds like this guy is a moron.
<2> hmm... then i am wrong
<3> he is basically saying... "Why cant I download ANY rpm and have it work without dependancies"
<9> frb-work - sqlite requires a lot less maintenance than postgres - but more so it's the nature of the application. my postgres app is rails based - which handles a connection to the db very well. my sqlite app is standard cgi - very small app with very small db needs. the entire db is in 1 file with sqlite so i can move it around if i need to, and it doesn't run as a process on my server since it is accessed very seldomly
<9> so, maybe those reasons are stupid...but they make since to me
<9> sense even
<3> if you try doing that with ANY packaging system you will fail on dependancies most of the time
<0> Switch to Debian or Slackware?
<3> if you want proof, go download a deb from debian woody and try install it in etch.
<0> I guess that means you can take debs from Ubuntu, Kubuntu, or Etch and install it on Debian Sarge?
<0> Switch to a Source-based distro? WHAT THE HELL? you want my MOM to COMPILE something?
<3> the guy also isnt talking into consideration package management systems (until mentioning urpmi or apt4rpm at the end).
<3> so basically, the guy is a moron
<3> any seconds out there?
<0> none of his reasons are even close to why RPM really ****s
<1> nice i know its moronic and i didnt even had to read it
<3> RPM ****s caues it has the name RedHat in it.
<0> Switch To Slackware? that just ruins his credibility
<3> as soon as he mentioned gentoo is when his credibility was shot.
<3> hehe
<0> I respect gentoo for what it is
<3> ever tried uninstalling an ebuild ?
<3> sure, its SUPER easy to do
<0> gentoo is what slackware should have been
<2> Gumby: nah, not a moron .. wrong maybe
<10> !fishies
<11> Rumour has it fishies is I love fishies
<1> frb, indeed
<2> no way !
<3> but it doesnt give a crap if it breaks something else
<2> gentoo is a ricer os, not so for slackware
<1> but with binary port
<0> ricer?
<2> bill-barriere: ah, then :)
<12> cu later
<2> frb-work: well, just stupid .. i dont wanna compile all apps i want
<3> anywho, its time for work
<0> if you don't want to compile things, then use suse
<10> !SpooForBrains
<11> Rumour has it SpooForBrains is a demi-god. Apparently they worship him in the Andes.
<2> frb-work: but why compare slackware and gentoo ? they are poles apart
<8> and if you do want to compile things use FreeBSD ffs
<2> lol, SpooForBrains
<2> cenuij: lol .. you have a point there
<0> cenuij: freebsd doesn't support my hardware
<8> ah shame, it's awsome really
<1> freebsd have hardware support ?
<0> anyway, the point is that RPM does ****, but no more than any other system, and that article doesn't mention the real reasons
<13> hmm, I dl'ed the x86_64 DVD image for SUSE 10.1 off the torrent, but I can't find the MD5 anywhere
<2> frb-work: well, yea .. then whats the best package management system, iyo ?
<0> Hhhhh: there is no official dvd yet
<14> "Hey John, I need that server software up - you got 15 minutes." "But Boss(tm) it'll take at least 2 hours to emerge.."
<2> daPhoenix: roflol
<14> Realistic systems ftw :P
<0> rohan: the package management system in the modern world is not as important as the tools around it
<13> frb-work, what about this one: http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version
<13> there is a torrent available
<8> bill-barriere: probably still better hardware support for common server hardware than linux, desktop... well that's another matter :P
<13> the DVD BitTorent
<0> rohan: I use suse because the tools are very good (10.1 is buggy, it doesn't count)
<1> i sure run into atm and all kind of funny server all the time ;)
<0> DVD2 (available May 18)
<0> Hhhhh: did you not see that?
<15> Hi, I'm new to SuSE, and am using SuSE 9.1. How can I find out which package provides a particular file? I'm looking for the program "ecpg".
<1> people use freebsd just for its logo am almost sure of it
<0> The DVD contains the packages of the 5 CDs and the Addon CD. The retail DVD being a double-layer contains more packages.
<13> frb-work, http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1/SUSE-Linux-10.1-GM-DVD-i386.torrent, right below what you copied and paste
<1> isnt that little deamon cute
<0> Hhhhh: yes, READ THE FOOTNOTE!
<8> md5 sums should be on the mirror location you downloaded the torrent from
<13> I dl'ed that torrent
<1> so kick our pinguin *** :(
<13> frb-work, what about the footnote?
<8> alexp: why are you using suse 9.1?
<13> frb-work, I read it
<13> frb-work, it talks about the different between the retail and the download version
<0> Hhhhh: so you understand that the official dvd isnt released yet
<8> alexp: 9.1 sill be unsupported as of ... oh this week or something
<13> frb-work, are you talking about the retail version?
<15> cenuij: Because it's the standard distro installed on my workstation, I don't have any choice in the matter.
<0> **** it
<13> frb-work, or the download version? I don't understand what you mean
<8> alexp: ah ok, in any case the 'pin' utility will provide some answer
<0> I'll be over in the corner doing web development, call me when the id10t forms are done being processed
<8> alexp: i would urge your administrators to update, there will be one more security/patch update for 9.1 and then your on your own :P
<2> ok, bye all, bbl \o/
<15> cenuij: I believe they're planning to migrate to Ubuntu soon, but I need to get this done ASAP.
<16> cenuij: thanks for linking to me man :) msg me how you would like to be listed description and such and ill return the favor
<8> heh np dude
<8> i dont know anyone else in here that has a suse related website other than you and yaloki
<8> if there is then let me know...
<15> cenuij: That pin program looks like what I n eed, thanks.
<16> Bill has one, www.jarpack.net
<8> alexp: ah thats a shame, ubuntu isnt nearly as advanced as suse, but then im biased
<15> cenuij: I'm not a fan of either SuSE or Ubuntu personally, but it's not my decision.
<17> !guru
<11> Guru is a great site to find extra RPMs (http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/)
<8> alexp: :P
<17> !addon
<11> In SuSE 10.1, the Extra and the Java install sources have been replaced by an Addon Source [ ftp://suse.mirrors.tds.net/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/non-oss-inst-source/ ] and is also available as an ISO: ftp://suse.mirrors.tds.net/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/non-oss
<8> I think i'm gonn ahave to make my own blog template, all the blogger ones are too narrow for posting prefromatted stuff
<8> shame really, im very lazy and i like the green blogger one
<16> cenuij: good idea... make yourself a liquid layout like mine :)
<18> cenuij: I can help with CSS
<19> does anyone know where I can find the program par2? I had it installed for 10.0 but now even the version for 10 I can't find anywhere
<20> Folks, I could use a little help getting my Ethernet DSL modem (Linksys ADSLMU2E) functional on 10.1. It works fine in windows (DHCP is switched off), but having set it up in YaST manually, nothing is happening. ifconfig reports it eth0 is up, but I can't ping anything except my own IP address...
<8> frb: thanks but i'll probably just bastardise the blogger template rather than start over
<8> frb: but if i get stuck hahah you'll know about it :P
<18> Calum`: did you set the default route?
<20> yes
<18> can you ping that ip?
<20> No, the packet just dies
<18> odd
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