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<0> warrior520: heh, not everyone likes du ..
<0> warrior520: konqueror also has a 'disk space' mode
<1> neopipil: 10.1 has many issues making it difficult for an inexperienced user
<2> stick with 10.0 if you want a system that just works
<3> should we expect somewhere in the near future yast being replaced by smart?
<0> warrior520: (or, at least, it used to. i'm not 100% positive about the newest ..)
<1> zePh7r: not after Novell has put 4 years into zen
<0> zePh7r: doubtful; the 10.1 libzypp stuff was to convert the yast front end to using the zypp backend...
<4> crap, its not that output that confuses me its the fact that it still doesnt show where 17 gigs are being eaten up
<0> frb-work: zen was converted to use the zypp backend as well..
<5> thanks for the advise benJIman|tov and frb-work. I will install on a secondary pc
<2> sarnold: there's kdf and kdirstat
<6> kompare r0x0rz
<3> frb-work, xen? are you talking about the virtualisation technology?
<6> zePh7r: no, the software previously known as Red Carpet and ZenWorks
<7> sarnold, having seen /var/lib/{zmd, zypp} 2 directories amkes me feel like is a h.u.h.
<3> frb-work, nevermind, I misspelled
<8> the whole movement to libzypp has been a complete bastard for Novell
<7> h.u.h. is huge ugly hax
<0> aka_druid: hahaha
<2> yeah
<0> aka_druid: well, it -was- a bit rushed.. i'm quite impressed the zypp guys got it as well finished as they did
<8> but I haven't really felt swell about anything that's been integrated from Ximian, though I have no qualms with the developers from there
<2> if you completely ignore yast and just use rug with zmd it works (ish)
<2> the resolver still fails far too often
<4> it appears it is taking the space being used by windows on its own partition and it has to use that much space from my partition to mount it, is that possible?
<2> aka_druid you havn't seen the code for zen-updater
<9> but its impossibke to ignore yast
<1> I lied, kompare is stupid
<2> aka_druid: clearly whoever it was thinks the copy and paste paradigm > object orientation
<1> I delete one line, and it tells me 93 have changed
<8> why the hell did they wait so long in the 10.1 cycle to start the package management changeover, and then ask why the hell the idea was approved
<2> aodhagan: it was pushed through by novell management, suse people didn't want to
<2> SuSEhelp: ned
<10> ned is Novell Entropy Dept
<4> lol well there it is
<4> /var/log/zmd-backend.log 13.5 GB
<4> are you f**king kidding me
<2> oh yes turn down logging settings
<4> i told you zmd ****s
<2> I ended up with several gigabytes of logs
<4> wtf zmd doesnt even work
<4> every time i try to use it it wont wake up
<6> mmm... konversation 0.19
<4> why is it logging then
<2> warrior520: that's because it re-downloads metadata and re-parses it when you try to use it
<2> warrior520: and if you've added sources to both yast and rug it does them both
<4> **** so can i remove zmd completely if im going to be using smart?
<11> benJIman|tov: where/how do we configure the ammount it logs?
<2> Lifter: err I forget I did it weeks ago
<4> frb: what is nicer than .18?
<2> warrior520: I expect yast depends on it
<6> warrior520: it now has /reconnect
<4> ok then how can i set it to log NOTHING
<4> lol frb i never need to use that anyway
<4> i dont want it to log a little i want NOTHING, i cant even read the log anyway
<2> deny zmd access to /var/log with apparmor heheh
<0> benJIman|tov: careful though :) /var/log/audit/audit.log might fill up faster :)
<11> my zmd-backend.log is only 317k .... and I've been using it and yast
<4> haha yeah right, i think i need a solution with a bit more finesse than that
<0> benJIman|tov: our REJECTING entries aren't exactly .. small :)
<6> what is apparmor?
<6> I disabled it because I have no clue
<2> frb: it's great, tell it an app you want to profile, run the app and doo stuff and it monitors everything it accesses and lets you block them
<12> ok I am compiling the faac + faad2 stuff, I hope that I get this right
<0> frb: it's an application confinement system. sort of like chroot, but without the h***le of building chroot jails for every application you want confined.
<6> ah, nifty, I'll remember that if I ever care
<2> it's like selinux but without being impossible to configure
<12> selinux is a PIA
<12> you cannot compile anything on the fly without having to worry about it, you must never forget it exists
<12> manageable, but i do not see the reason why secure = difficult
<12> there is no point into making things awkward for the sake of being "cool"
<4> i cant find anywhere how to keep zmd from logging away all my space
<6> unless you're gentoo
<12> eww gentoo
<7> benJIman|tov, adding source tru rug stopped showing them in yast2 isnt_source... just the other awy around
<12> which reminds me I have to get it off my auto - join list
<2> aka_druid: if you add yum source to rug I think it doesn't sync
<2> if you add zypp to rug I think it should still sync
<13> is packman working with suse 10.1?
<6> Pher: it works, but not with yast
<2> Pher: yes. it doesn't have absolutely everything built for 10.1 yet
<2> frb: it does work with yast
<6> How do I get knetworkmanager to stop starting?
<6> benJIman|tov: then why is it everyone complains about signed packages from packman when using yast?
<2> frb: yast complains it's not signed every time you start it and the "don't bug me about this again" checkbox does nothing
<13> I can't get yast to even add it to the list
<12> i added it to the list
<6> I stopped using yast for package manangement since it separated repo mgmt and package mgmt
<12> frb: if we change the checker to no? : sudo nano /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/gpg-checker.conf
<12> or sudo vim
<12> or sudo emacs :P
<6> nagulator: no idea, I don't even use yast in 10.0
<12> k
<12> according to a guide I found it will work and get rid of the gpg checker
<12> will try it later on, it would be nice to have yast working as it should, for the honour of it at least
<13> I got it, the mirror list didn't put the subdirectories
<7> apt?
<7> oh dear
<7> we have enough of bad package managers right now, we dont need to import one from debian
<12> oh boy :P
<12> suse is the single distro that has so many package management systems lol
<12> that is a double edged knife
<2> rpm prevents too much mess
<12> i like rpm
<12> i do not like .deb
<2> you can have fun in slackware using rpm
<12> it is harder to build packages for it
<6> I used to build rpms for solaris
<12> benjiman: have not tried that, i tried rpm with lfs though
<12> it builds ok
<0> benJIman|tov: gute nacht
<0> frb: openpkg?
<12> openpkg is not rpm exactly...
<6> no, rpm
<12> and i think that it is getting close - sourced
<12> in a way at least...
<6> we built rpm, a package with a pile of fake deps for solaris default libs, then everything else
<6> complete working gnome2 environment including mozilla on solaris 8
<12> frb: you have a build system I suppose
<12> something like mach right?
<6> nagulator: I used to work for Novell/Ximian
<1> I burnt out on being a build engineer though
<12> lol building is not as fun as using :P
<1> what ambient temp is dangerous for servers?
<12> hmm 30C?
<12> :P
<6> SuSEhelp: calc (80-32)*5/9
<10> frb: (80-32)*5/9 = 26.666666666666668
<6> our office has regularly been around 27C
<14> sarnold: thanks for sending me that last rpm :)
<0> frb: hehehe, i just typed that same equation into bc a few minutes ago :)
<0> sky_monkey007: how's things working?
<12> with air conditioning I suppose it is a nice temp, but within their guts they are at leat 4C higher right?
<0> sky_monkey007: i'm sorry i left you in the lurch for the whole weekend :-/
<14> fine, just fine. Reading up on the user guide hehe
<0> sky_monkey007: cool :)
<14> it's all good. My fiance graduated college on Saturday, so I was away from the computer most of the time.
<0> sky_monkey007: cool :) congratulations to your fiance
<14> thanks :)
<4> guys im having some trouble with smart... should i make an /etc/apt/sources.list
<4> well i did and restarted smart and its still using the default
<6> nagulator: no, they are all COLD
<6> SuSEhelp: calc (84-32)*5/9
<10> frb: (84-32)*5/9 = 28.88888888888889
<6> at 29C they are comfortable, I'm sluggish and can't think
<4> wait, with smart can i use deb sources, and install .deb files?
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