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<0> are there kde/gnome supplementary update repo's for 10.1 yet??
<1> Lifter: kde just appeared tonight
<2> Lifter: kde appeared, but has no metadata
<3> !smart
<4> smart is a great package management frontend that supports many repository formats - more info on http://smartpm.org - grab SUSE RPMs here: http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/rpm-navigation.php?cat=System/smart/
<1> !randomq beineri /gnome/
<4> <Beineri> darix: mail gnome-maintainers that it is not sufficient to just copy the .spec files to supplementary, that you must also care that they build there
<5> SuSEhelp: alias ralink whatis rt2500
<4> yaloki: Aliased 'ralink' to 'bfactoids.whatis rt2500'.
<0> k tnks frb-work
<5> frb-work: thx
<1> frb-work: maybe just mirror hasn't synced yet?
<6> Lifter: ftp4.gwdg.depub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.1/yast-source/ I updated from there
<5> mirrors haven't synced yet
<2> benJIman|tov: I was on gwdg
<5> just wait a day or two
<0> thank coomac
<1> rug has been working for an entire day for me, new record, time to try and break it by adding another source
<7> frb, i got a good mirror, one i finish my kde 3.5.2 update, i might share it with you ppl :P
<2> I like smart
<1> rug is actually ok
<1> I find most of the problems atm with 10.1 are the interaction between yast and rug/zmd, using just rug after nuking stuff seems to work
<3> how is smart so fast? without a daemon?
<7> nice... kde sup source doesnt have a proper gpg key :P
<8> yo
<8> does this work under 10.1
<8> installation_sources -a
<1> hmm frb was right
<7> ohh that son of bitch! there is a presidential address at 8
<9> back
<1> frb-work: it just inteligently caches
<10> apt is even faster
<9> sPiN: any new problems aside updates emerging?
<1> apokryphos: it's really not
<10> (on debian-based systems)
<6> sPiN: eh? What is he talking about this time?
<1> apokryphos: if you actually want to use it it's not faster
<10> benJIman|tov: there's really no doubt about it. apt on debian/ubuntu is a *lot* faster
<7> nagulator: im rolling reall good
<7> wont know till then coomac
<1> it doesn't update the cache first that;s why it might seem faster
<9> good to know
<6> sPiN: just so we're on the same page, you mean Bush, right?
<10> benJIman|tov: a dist-upgrade with smart takes 1 1/2 mins to calculate. Apt upgrade takes 4 seconds to calculate
<3> well, smart starts faster than yast, and is supports more repos than zmd
<1> apokryphos: ah yes, well y2pmsh is even faster for that
<11> wooow... so tds servers r screaming down compared to 2 days back
<1> apokryphos: but smart makes more inteligent decisions with large upgrades
<1> apokryphos: and how long it will take for that number of changes depends mainly on your memory
<10> benJIman|tov: y2pmsh really isn't faster :P. 4 seconds is next-to-nothing
<11> looks like 10.1's installer eta of 1 hr more like 20 mins
<9> sPiN: u have a link for the xgl installation, the tutorial is not there anymore
<1> apokryphos: yes it's pretty much instantaneous with y2pmsh
<9> or if someone has it
<10> smart is good, I'm not puting that away from it. Supports a lot more than apt does and it's BiArch compatible
<11> olleH apokryphos ;]
<12> !pin bin/import
<4> GraveDigger: No Results Found
<10> hi tech9iner =)
<12> !pin import
<4> GraveDigger: /suse/i586/ImageMagick-6.2.3-4.i586.rpm See http://hitme.resetbutton.de/cgi-bin/pintest.pl?searchstring=import&version=10.0d_i386&type=cd&dl=ftp
<1> frb-work: hmm rug added it as a zypp source
<7> nagulator: it was removed cause the instructions were bad
<9> well they worked for me though
<3> what's a zypp source?
<1> frb-work: supplementary kde
<8> luckly, they added nothing to replace it
<13> >_< damit
<3> smart would call that "Red Carpet" ?
<7> rm /usr/X11r6/bin/X was a baaad thing to tell ppl to do
<13> if this wireless connection was a person I'd strangle the life out of it.
<13> sPiN, you're telling me.. hehe
<1> frb-work: no it would be whatever smart calls yast sources
<13> :D
<3> benJIman|tov: when you call it yast2, it searches for media.1 and stuff which didn't exist
<10> benJIman|tov: you know Shuttleworth mentioned moving to smart as an option?
<1> frb-work: i'm using rug atm because I've actually got a chance of fixing things that annoy me about it, smart is written in python
<1> apokryphos: yes
<6> nagulator is this what you were looking for? http://en.opensuse.org/Using_Xgl_on_SUSE_Linux
<3> isn't rug?
<1> apokryphos: cannonical are also sponsoring a smart developer iirc
<10> mainly to solve BiArch issues I think, but he does love python 8)
<10> nice
<10> I know smart dev is in contact with Zimmerman (Ubuntu CEO) quite a bit
<1> frb: no it is a mono thing
<13> If ubuntu moves to smart it would be a bad move.
<1> c# I think
<10> what are the chances of suse turning to smart? ;-)
<1> wickers: smart is better than apt
<13> apokryphos, not much.
<13> benJIman|tov, mm.. well that's an opinion.
<14> benJIman|tov: for .deb format too?
<9> hmm
<13> Personally I would rather use apt.
<10> bit of a shame
<13> (as smart p***ed out on me a few times.)
<10> wickers: why?
<3> why would you rather use apt?
<9> thanks coomac but that was not exactly what I was looking for
<1> sarnold: well apt breaks horribly on dist-upgrades frequently
<9> will dig into it
<6> alright
<10> wickers: latest few versions of smart have been more-or-less perfect
<1> more so than even yast's old resolver
<14> benJIman|tov: really? i've never seen apt fail..
<13> benJIman|tov, I've never had it bust a system on me..
<3> ok, ftp4 works, ftp doesn't
<10> benJIman|tov: not on supported dist-upgrades
<1> sarnold: try installing sarge and upgrading to unstable
<10> if it did it'd be a major-ish bug
<15> am I the only one who just use YaST?
<3> lovelyx: yes
<13> lovelyx, not if you're on 10.1
<10> lovelyx: takes too long to start up :P
<13> ;)
<14> benJIman|tov: hrm. out of paranoia I always do soething like: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install apt dpkg ; sudo apt-get -u dist-ugrade
<3> I just want a kde interface to smart, then I'd be happy
<1> apokryphos: you can leave it open in a screen
<10> yeah
<10> benJIman|tov: yeah, but if I have to refresh sources etc
<13> frb python + qt is pretty easy to do.. it might happen.
<15> well for 10.1 I use that mono Software Installer
<1> sarnold: it's usually things like hotplug being replaced by udev it doesn't like
<1> and that breaks dozens of things
<10> there should be a way inside yast installer to refresh sources, really
<14> benJIman|tov: hrm. i have to admit that I did that change a -months- ago and never noticed it...
<1> and requires force loopbreak etc
<13> I'm happy (actually, I'm in love) with y2pmsh.
<13> And I thank the few of you who pointed it out to me.
<13> :D
<1> y2pmsh is nice but clearly designed more for testing than actually using
<10> wickers: smart --shell
<6> benJIman|tov: I've used apt for suse for about two years now, never had any problems with it making bad decisions
<1> coomac: apt4rpm was extremely buggy
<13> I don't use apt on SUSE... that's a bad idea.
<13> hehe
<13> ;)
<13> I love apt on Debian, and Ubuntu.
<6> maybe I got lucky then...
<2> firefox feels slower every time I run it
<1> frb-work: you disabled pango?
<13> frb-work, clean up your download history... trust me.
<2> firefox on linux on my p4-3.2G-ht is slower than firefox on windows on the P4-1.6M
<13> frb-work, failing that, clean out your cache.
<2> wickers: I deleted my whole damn profile
<13> damn
<16> will Suse work on a NEC Versa 6230 with a Pentium MMX 1.3 Ghz
<1> frb-work: it starts in 10s on 10.1 for me, use to take 30s on 10.0
<9> the one thing about suse that can be confusing is the pluralism in package - management "front - ends"
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