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<0> Release your anger!
<0> :p
<1> erikja: ah. ok
<0> Only your hate can destroy Novell! ^^
<2> daPhoenix: lol
<2> nerd
<3> Ancient1_: Is it the cd yuo meant ?
<1> yes
<3> Good, thanks!
<4> William_AUS: could you privmsg me the file you use for updates?
<0> GraveDigger :O
<0> GraveDigger: Star Trek = n3rd, Star Wars = Kewl :P
<2> lol
<4> William_AUS: I don't seem to have any luck with gui methods and have no idea what command line updater works and where it puts its file
<4> *config* file
<5> I really don't understand Novell management. But my dad warned me about this when Novell bought SuSE. He got burned by Novell too often...
<6> hm :S
<2> novell folks are strange: they have wasted suse which deserves punishment, but they also code some really cool stuff like Xgl, which imho is a great thing
<2> i really dont know what to think about novell regarding linux anymore
<1> anyone has Mozilla source ? ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/projects/mozilla/10.1 is not accepted ?
<5> I could live without Xgl and it's gnome only compiz stuff, if I had just a working SuSE distribution like I've been using for years. The 3D stuff would come anyway
<5> And I never thought that they would ship the distribution with the still broken package management
<4> I seem to have somehow made my system get Packman packages
<7> !register
<1> its not Hard . we need a page(by OS ver) with solutions , FAQ etc , and a SuseHelp plug here every 10min reminding ppl to add
<4> Using Software management in CLI yast
<7> mandatory registration?
<4> will try GUI yast later
<4> I conclude rugis ****ed
<4> and made by hitler
<1> nailer: shoosh .. suse is german
<4> es tut mir leid
<8> nailer: naughty naught
<5> Ancient1_: it used to be German...
<7> not anymore
<1> its base is in Nurenberg
<4> jetzt est es morman!
<1> Suse is in Nurenberg, even if its owned by Novell
<4> mormon even
<5> Ancient1_: it used to be what one thought of good German engineering. Now it's just American Novell crap :(
<4> rug seems poo
<7> l8r
<4> they should have tested it more
<1> nine: probably. those US corporation kill everything
<1> look what they did to ICQ
<4> otoh xgl is awesome
<8> Who killed the Amiga..?
<4> Downloading w32codec-all (0.00
<4> yaaay
<4> multimedia + xgl = happy mike
<8> nailer: Which packman ?
<4> iu-bremen.de
<4> don't know if aussie one works
<4> am still a little weirded out by difference between rug and what yast uses
<4> red-carpet, from ages ago, was actually pretty nice
<8> Do packman and Guru go together...?
<8> as in do they compliment each other
<5> So which update tool can I use to get even some information and be able to resolve conflicts?
<5> That Windows like Software Updater is just useless and does not work...
<4> nine: so far I reckon software management in yast
<4> I'm using the command line one now, haven't checked the gui one
<4> nine: will send you its config when I'm done installing this stuff
<4> (its different from what rug uses)
<4> maybe novell are using opensuse as a bit of a beta for sled
<5> nailer: thanks
<5> I used to pity Fedora users, as Fedora really is just a testbed for Redhat's enterprise software. But Fedora normally at least works from what I heard...
<4> nine: fedora has been pretty decent since 3
<4> but suse tries to do more
<4> have better GUI config tools, xgl, resiser etc
<1> ZEN is ****ed up. the Software Updater takes AGES to resolve dependancies
<4> RHEL and RC are more sonservative (which is both good and bad)
<5> nailer: maybe I should just try it. Never saw a reason to, as I was pretty happy. But with the current direction SuSE is taking, it's very tempting
<4> ubuntu seems to be where the action is at
<5> nailer: The funny thing is: it already had these things. Good configuration tools, working reiserfs, and Xgl works on 10.0, too.
<4> I'd wait a couple of weeks re: update ****edness
<4> sometimes distros come out with probs and once corrected you'd forget they ever happened
<5> Novell should just withdraw this release. It may be beta quality and shows some good signs of things to come like network manager, but it's a catastrophe as a release.
<4> yeah GUI Software Management is cool
<4> it's just rug that's poo
<1> yep
<9> nine: agree
<1> its not rug , but the new yast-zen combo that is faultering
<5> It's the dumping of good working ways and replacing them with 5 different half baked ones. One could show a SuSE to a newbie and he got a running and working system pretty fast and normally was impressed. But I don't see the impressive thing in users having to type in URLs for security updates manually.
<1> inputing inst sources manually is a very minor issue
<1> the soft.updater applette been resolving depend. for 15 in now
<5> Yep, not even getting updates after typing them in manually is worse...
<10> wtf nine? - go to yast and do online update config
<10> update url goes in automagically
<5> _lznogood_: I tried that. It just does nothing.
<10> did you make your own dvd?
<5> _lznogood_: yes. RC1+diff
<10> and then -> makeSUSEdvd?
<5> yes
<10> then the wrong string gets sent to suse
<10> hence no product to register
<5> What get's send to SuSE?
<10> product string
<10> everybody who has used makesusedvd has this issue
<5> I did not, and will never do any online registration. I'm not dumb. If I wanted such crap, I could use some Windows like thing
<10> well - then just put in the url for update yourself
<10> but its not like suse gets your kids picture
<10> its only hardware info
<10> you can see what it sends
<10> press details
<5> There's no reason to annoy users this way. It worked without registration crap the last 10 years.
<10> well yes, earlier it got sendt to suse without asking :P
<5> lznogood and what happens, when I move the system to another computer?
<10> absolutly nothing
<5> Then what is the registration for? The information is obviously not needed
<10> the hardware info is there for suse to see where to put resources in dev
<5> And, that's the killer: as it's not needed, Novell is not even entitled to ask, much less make it mandatory under German and Austrian law.
<5> It's a data protection and consumer rights thing. Something American companies usually refuse to understand...
<10> and like I said - they do not make it mandatory
<10> you can choose to not do it
<10> and put in the update server yourself
<5> Oh yes, one can guess random strings to type in for getting updates...
<10> its not like its hard
<5> Every single other Linux distribution works without this crap.
<5> And SuSE used to, too.
<10> well they changed it
<10> are u sure that ubuntu does not send your hardwareinfo?
<10> have you looked at the source?
<11> hello guys
<11> I gave up on suse 10.1, too buggy for production use
<11> i think I will wait for a bit until I touch it again; the updates things is frustrating
<12> what is too buggy?
<11> zmd + rug
<12> hm yeah, that part is quite crappy it seems
<1> nagulator: good noon .. sorry to hear that. for serious use u should've waited till the childhood bugs been ironed out
<11> well that is a major part
<11> ancient1_: hello mate, yeah I will wait, infact I test drived it
<11> i am back to my production partition
<5> Ancient1_: maybe SuSE should have warned it's users about childhood bugs in a "10.1" version...
<1> u left 10.1 installed ?
<11> nine: maybe they should have waited
<11> yeah I left it in its small 5 GB partition where it belongs
<5> nagulator: never had to in the last 7 years
<11> nine: n-o-v-e-l-l
<5> But seems like the times have changed. Users are out, Ximian egos are in.
<1> I'm cerain its the american influence . unlikely german quality ppl would do such a buggy release
<11> I remind the fact that the main mind behind suse is not working for them anymore
<11> yup
<11> on the american front, fedora core 5 seems to be pretty solid imho
<11> anyway I think that after a couple of months, all things will have been sorted out
<1> no idea
<5> For non-american users, Ubuntu seems to be a good choice, I gather? Is it good on servers, too? I like having the same system on my desktop and servers
<11> but I must say, I am impressed by the overhead in yast2 and zmd, it takes ages to do simple things
<11> nine: use what you like
<1> months ? i think like days , no ? this zen isuue is serious
<11> ancient1_: practically everything is VERY serious right now
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