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<0> (works in Ubuntu)
<0> also I'd like to play with s2ram
<0> does it work with the new nvidia driver or the i810 driver
<1> hussam !!!
<0> ok
<0> when use my fn keys
<0> my dmesg fills up with complaints such as this
<2> mebaran151: (k)ubuntu loads proprietary drivers via the restricted group of software
<2> mebaran151: other distro's aren't willing to tempt the law
<1> lunitik: Im pretty sure thats not true
<1> I have used k/ubuntu for many releases, and they are, as a matter of fact, very very strict on that
<0> May 14 14:14:59 meblaptop [powersave-hotkey_handler][21836]: WARNING: EV_ID: 60, unclean exit or unconverted script, please read the powers
<0> aved manual (chapter 11) if this is a customized event script
<0> kkathman: I left Ubuntu because I couldn't get ipw3945 to work
<2> kkathman: no really... 'linux-restricted-modules' are proprietary drivers...
<0> which works very very easily in Suse
<0> but sonypi is not a restricted driver
<0> it's mainline
<1> yes I know, but k/ubuntu does not provide those standardly
<3> kkathman: hey!
<2> kkathman: simularly, they ship 'nvidia-some****' too
<1> lunitik: no, they ship an NV generic
<2> kkathman: restricted is turned on by default... and is loaded during install
<1> not true Im afraid
<1> in fact that isnt even put into the base repos
<2> kkathman: ffs... I was in the meeting that decided it was ok...
<0> what is the powersave-hotky_handler
<1> I doubt that seriously
<0> and how do I cleanly cause it to exit
<2> kkathman: go ask #ubuntu-devel :/
<2> kkathman: stop arguing... thanks
<1> i can argue, its a free channel dude :)
<0> still could you enlighten me as to what the powersave-hotkey_handler is
<0> and how I fix it
<2> kkathman: no, no its really not... welcome to IRC
<1> rofl you are so full ;)
<2> kkathman: cuss out an op and tell me there is free speech as they kick/ban you :/
<1> Just asked a major devel and they never heard of you lol. Guess that says enough.
<2> kkathman: who you ask?
<1> Im not cussing
<1> just DIS cussing :)
<2> kkathman: nickname of the devel?
<1> and they just confirmed they do NOT ship proprietary drivers
<2> kkathman: I'll tell you how 'major' the devel is if you tell me the nickname
<1> standardly
<1> Well they are ops in the major k/ubuntu sites, k/ubuntu membership and a developer
<2> kkathman: WHAT IS THE NICKNAME
<1> I think not
<0> ack
<1> dont want you harr***ing them
<1> but i can rest ***ured
<0> how do I fix my POWERSAVE daemon that is filling my dmesg with snafu
<2> kkathman: funny how you're not even in the channel
<1> not atm
<0> and how do I set a module to load automatically with certain options on every boot
<4> gah .. even novell's apparmor wont work nice with kde .. why do they hate kde :-((
<1> well
<1> Im in #kubuntu and #ubuntu
<2> kkathman: meh
<2> [22:39] <2> Hello... something care to clear something up... Ubuntu ships proprietary drivers via restricted package 'linux-restricted-modules' by default (active during install) correct?
<2> [22:40] <hendry> lunitik: yes. or they have unclear licenses
<1> and this devel is in most all of them
<2> kkathman: people in #ubuntu and #kubuntu in general don't know their nose from their ears
<2> just saying
<1> the key there is "unclear licenses"
<2> kkathman: [22:42] <6> lunitik, yes, they do. In restricted modules is a bunch of non-free software stuff
<1> but for instance you wont find, flash, or mp3, etc etc
<1> because the licenses are clear
<2> kkathman: no, because those are in multiverse
<5> man... late nite eh kkathman chum
<1> but restricted-formats isnt on the install CD man
<2> kkathman: Ubuntu doesn't support multiverse... whereas it supports restricted
<1> but its not in the repos that come with the install
<1> it can be added, yes
<2> kkathman: restricted (drivers and firmware) is active by default
<2> kkathman: it is supported
<1> but not shipped
<2> kkathman: universe and multiverse are not supported
<2> kkathman: YES shipped
<1> correct
<2> kkathman: ffs... stfu
<6> lunitik, hey, watch it
<1> no...how so?? I dont have them on my disk tho
<6> kkathman, what is the issue?
<5> back up lunitik...
<2> Burgundavia: she thinks Ubuntu doesn't activate restricted by default, and that restricted doesn't contain proprietary drivers such as the nvidia stuff etc
<1> Burgundavia: Im thinking its just a semantics thing.. its really not all that serious, but I think there are some heated feelings on his side for some reason :)
<6> lunitik, just because we are not in an Ubuntu channel doesn't mean that I won't bring the CoC on you
<2> Burgundavia: I already got banned by Seveas :/
<4> lunitik: why were you banned ?
<4> :DD
<5> lol
<2> RobJensen: Seveas thought he was right, and he wasn't.
<4> btw, everyone knows that ubuntu ships restricted drivers in restriced .. so what ?? :P
<5> can i guess?.. can i can i huh huh snickers
<4> lunitik: what was the arguement about, that time ?
<6> kkathman, currently Ubuntu ships some drivers installed by default, mostly the networking ones. Most non-free drivers are in l-r-m
<1> correct
<6> oh, btw, congrats on your 10.1 release
<2> kkathman: then what exactly is your argument with me?
<4> username_: lol
<6> you have kicked Ubuntu off the 7 day chart at Distrowatch
<4> Burgundavia: whats the 7 day chart ?
<0> how do I set the sonypi module to automatically load on boot with certain options
<4> mebaran151: man modprobe.conf
<1> I guess I am thinking that the word "shipped" is misleading. Certainly there is support for "restricted formats" but they arent on the install disk. The nvidia driver , for instance is OSS last I heard.
<2> Burgundavia: hah... sorry to bother you, thanks for your help... I'll let you get back to work :)
<1> why have multiverse?
<1> now automatix clouds the issue a bit tho
<2> kkathman: 'linux-restricted-modules' is on the install disc actually
<4> kkathman: shipped is for packages which are on cd, but not installed ! like gcc
<1> yes
<2> kkathman: closed source not supported
<6> RobJensen, http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=1
<1> anyway..this is suse, so.. probably dont need to burden the bandwidth further on this
<4> wtF ... it is clearly bloody _rigged_ , Burgundavia !
<4> 3435 ..
<6> RobJensen, distrowatch is one hit per IP per day
<6> on the suse page at distrowatch, tbf
<7> lo
<4> i know that .. so it could not be rigged :-/
<4> whats "tbf" ?
<6> to be fair
<4> kkathman: hmm.. automatix .. the box breaking program. how is that related to the dis'cuss'ion ?
<1> hehe I agree btw :)
<2> kkathman: on an aside... and not to bring it back up again... sorry for being rude... I don't deal with being told I'm wrong when I'm right very well :(
<1> I think there is some degrees of truth on both sides
<8> hi, how do I install msttcorefonts in suse 10.1? they do not apear in the update any more
<2> hygl: fire up yast... its a recommended upgrade right away afaik
<1> when there are specific licensing issues, I think every Linux distro is very careful on the "free download" side of the situation
<1> where the licensing is iffy, there may be room for debate :)
<6> kkathman, anything that is tied to a specific kernel version is in l-r-m and thus supported, afaik
<8> lunitik: that was the case in 10.0, but in 10.1 I can not find it any more
<2> hygl: ahh... you look in the non-oss-inst-source ?
<6> kkathman, how does suse handle the various non-free drivers?
<8> lunitik: of course, so I do find flash or Real
<9> How can i see the files and folders on the partitions ext2 of linux???
<2> Borikangel: from Windows?
<7> Burgundavia, think they were all dropped in last version
<4> Borikangel: by mounting them
<2> Borikangel: there are drivers
<1> Burgundavia: since Im reasonably new to SUSE, only starting with 10.0, the things that I have seen, have indicated that they generally take licensed things and put them in the non-installed status, or the commerical versions if installed
<10> anyone have a second to help a newb?
<1> but thats only by observation
<6> aka_druid, including things like madwifi?
<9> nop, how can i see from winxp the files and folder i have in the partition on suse 10
<7> spike723, we dont know if you dont ask a question
<9> ?
<2> Borikangel: google is your friend...
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