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<0> benJIman: the problem is if it requires some firmware
<1> yaloki: If no, there is no particular reason for you to want to **** me
<1> lol
<2> yaloki: the problem is that it has the binary bit in the driver rather than firmware
<0> benJIman: eww.. well, sounds like none of us will maintain such a package
<1> actually
<1> it's not exactly like that
<1> gpl is vurnarable in the context of linking i think
<2> yaloki: guess it won't get packaged then, it's been asked in here more than mp3 the last few days, seems lots of people use it
<1> that is if i link an open source licensed stuff to open source licensed stuff and then make use of closed licensed stuff in memory
<3> well this is just messed up...
<1> i think it doesn't vialate
<1> *violate the licence
<1> :S
<2> i-nZ: yes it does
<1> actually yes it does
<1> hm
<1> what about the obfuscated code?
<0> anyone with 10.1 cares to test the packman repo ?
<1> is it covered by gpl too ?
<4> yaloki: sure
<0> apokryphos: has just been fixed 10min ago
<2> i-nZ: if something is part of the same program as gpled code, linked against it shares data structures etc then it must be gpl too
<0> apokryphos: was causing yast2 to crash, should work now (hopefully)
<0> apokryphos: wait
<1> benJIman: but if it is not linked, but rather retrieves the function addresses from memory
<4> wasn't having any crash issues, just the usual trust issues
<4> though I haven't imported the rpm key from the site, there's no English FAQ :O
<2> if they make function calls then they're really same program
<5> does anyone know where wine keeps the virtual c drive?
<4> yaloki: why isn't the packman site as pretty as yours? =)
<0> apokryphos: please use this mirror, it has just synched: http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/10.1/
<1> benJIman: then the program will not vialate the gpl cause it doesn't have any direct relation to the gpl program
<0> apokryphos: it is, http://packman-test.links2linux.org
<2> i-nZ: if they're seperate programs it's fine
<1> it is not included in the program, nor linked
<5> where does wine keep the virtual c drive?
<6> cant get ip for wireless card
<0> apokryphos: actually it's a lot prettier, at least the new one, we're going to make the new one live in a few days
<1> ~/.wine
<1> i think
<4> dang, I've been missing that one
<0> the new website roxors.. well.. IMO ;)
<4> I was always looking at http://packman.links2linux.org/
<0> and I'm not saying that because mschiff and I wrote it ;)
<4> yes, it looks an awful lot nicer
<1> benJIman: it is not really fine, because it may allow the use of a gpl library from non-gpl code
<1> dunno
<1> i am not an advocate
<0> apokryphos: yeah, the one on packman-test is still in development, but we're going to switch it to packman soon
<1> instead of releasing an mp3 package
<1> release a package with mp3 to ogg converter
<0> the mp3 stuff is GPL though
<0> e.g. mad and lame
<2> yaloki: do you know any instructions for making kmps other than the whitepaper?
<4> search is very handy
<0> the issue is patents
<0> benJIman: nope
<1> yes, but the patent is the issue, isn't it ?
<0> benJIman: I didn't manage to read all of it, it's pretty tedious
<0> i-nZ: yep
<6> any ideas?
<1> do it the MS way.. force users to use .ogg :P
<0> snowbird: unsupported wireless card maybe ?
<0> i-nZ: "i am not an advocate" ?
<7> my surround sound is not working, what should i adjust in the settings
<4> i-nZ: harder when you're the underdog
<0> i-nZ: ah, you meant lawyer ;)
<1> a lawyer, yaloki
<0> ok :)
<6> i dont know dlink 510
<1> it is either acx1xx chipset
<6> ill look that nick up
<1> or one that is supported via ndiswrapper
<4> I wonder why bash completion was dropped in 10.1. Hm, will have to compile.
<0> apokryphos: huh
<4> yaloki: I don't see the package available anywhere
<0> apokryphos: wasn't dropped AFAIK, must be something wrong with the package
<0> apokryphos: it's part of the bash package
<1> http://hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Wireless.html
<0> oh, no it's not
<4> yaloki: it used to be a seperate one
<0> right
<0> my bad
<4> I'm not talking about the trivial completion, full bash completion
<0> apokryphos: I have a bash-completion package here in the repo
<4> yaloki: 10.1 repository?
<0> yes
<1> snowbird: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List#D
<4> hm
<6> yes
<1> snowbird: and http://hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Wireless.html
<1> right
<1> my customized dvd is ready
<1> time to install
<4> curious; I definitely don't have it
<6> wait til i find if card suported
<1> ok
<4> perhaps it wasn't packaged for amd64
<1> snowbird: do an lspci
<0> apokryphos: ftp://opensuse.mirrors.skynet.be/pub/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source/suse/noarch/bash-completion-20050721-11.noarch.rpm
<0> apokryphos: it's a noarch
<4> hm, noarch
<3> haha damn somehow that article got marked as private... fixed now.. http://spinink.net/2005/12/18/suse-linux-network-install/
<3> !ftpinstall
<8> Follow instructions at http://spinink.net/2005/12/18/suse-linux-network-install/ and also check out http://www.opensuse.org/Installation_Help
<3> yep were good now :)
<1> snowbird: what is the exact model of the card?
<4> yaloki: thanks. Software management is now starting up. Anything in particular to test?
<0> apokryphos: try installing some package please
<4> nice, didn't get the trust error it seems
<0> apokryphos: you should get the trust error though
<4> perhaps refresh wasn't put on
<0> probably
<6> its odd
<6> on suse i dont see dlink 510 unsupported?
<3> that is a **** nic, and you will need to use ndiswrapper snowbird
<6> what is better card il bye one
<3> something that is supported natively
<0> i.e. none
<0> now that support for ralink has been dropped
<3> ndiswrapper is the devil
<0> there's none left
<4> yaloki: works good; downloaded w32codec-all with no problems
<0> apokryphos: ok, thanks:)
<3> well id rather deal with the ipw-firmware package than ndiswrapper, so an intell 2200 or 2915 would be good
<6> any sugestions
<0> PACKMAN REPO IS NOW FIXED FOR 10.1
<0> sorry for shouting :D
<6> ok
<9> :)
<3> nicely done man
<0> sPiN: yeah, just a few left though
<0> madwifi, maybe
<0> dunno what chipsets are covered by that one
<4> someone should make one really big faq for suse =)
<3> my website is getting quiet large with suse articles
<10> niiice sPiN .. thanks..
<3> gonna do a y2pmsh one soon
<4> some impressive 3rd-party howtos on other distros; i.e. http://kudos.berlios.de
<4> sPiN: what's your site?
<9> how to turn your suse linux box into a death star in 5 quick step ...
<3> www.spinink.net
<11> !mp3
<8> For MP3 Support in Suse 10 or 10.1, check <http://spinink.net/suse-for-windows-users/#mp3 : For Suse 9.3 just run YOU (Yast Online Update) and choose to install the extra multimedia packages.
<10> bill-barriere hehe .. wb you sardonic bugger ya
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