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<0> khtml can give opera's engine a run for its money rendering
<0> they're very close in benchmarks
<1> opera feels faster because it delays the render by a second
<2> and that was all? Are there more rthings that are better?
<3> true, but firefox has a lot more features through extensions - you might not need them, but I do, which is why I stick with the fox
<0> it's faster, integrates with kde, file management, document viewing etc
<2> here the same
<1> I keep fox around for the webdev toolbar
<2> the developer-extension rulez for webdev
<3> yes, for example
<2> hehehe :D
<2> okey
<0> the extensions are firefox's killer feature, doesn't compete with konqueror on browser performance, fortunately for me konqueror does everything I need by default
<2> i ginna gife Konq a try
<0> anyone else find this very slow on mouseovers in firefox? http://retout.uwcs.co.uk/karma/cloud2
<3> sitebar integration, cruisecontrol monitor, mouse gestures, minimeter, tabbrowser extensions, ..
<0> what's cruisemonitor control?
<3> benJIman: a monitor for cruisecontrol :)
<1> I don't do gestures
<0> yaloki: what's cruisecontrol?
<2> bottomline: 20+ extensions kill firefox
<3> continuous build software for java projects
<1> benJIman: slow
<0> frb-work: interesting, now try it in wine
<2> 20+ page extensions (adblock and so on does not matter)
<1> benJIman: my wine broke when I removed crossover, I have a winbox though
<4> why do you guys choose suse over fedora
<2> crossover broked my jpg :S
<1> slow on FF 1.5 on a P4-3.2ht/1G
<1> (linux)
<2> in konq
<5> how can i get wmv to play ? got w32codec there, kaffeine sees it
<5> but i still cant play them
<2> they are coded
<6> sasha2, why one listen to britney spears?
<2> then
<1> fast on FF 1.5 on a P4M-1.6/768M (winxp)
<0> frb-work: that page is fast in firefox in windows and wine here
<0> frb-work: and fast in konqueror
<4> because you like her
<0> and kjs is not the fastest javascript engine
<1> benJIman: obviously GTK is superiour
<4> i am kinda new to linux
<2> yes
<7> opps sasha2 did it again
<2> Well
<4> i have just migrated from freebsd to suse
<3> benJIman: http://cruisecontrol.sourceforge.net/
<2> Shasha, there is a linux-test to see waht ditro you like
<4> and acustom to using ony the console
<2> sec, I will search for you
<8> SuSE is easier to use?
<9> look at that pages source! http://pastebin.com/547661
<4> i trie commands like ifconfig and it doesn'tt work
<8> http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php
<9> are you root?
<0> SUSE has yast, fedora's KDE is shockingly bad
<8> Azerion that one?
<8> http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php
<0> fedora's package management is pretty bad too, what suse's will be like after 10.1 we'll see
<10> how a can update suse 9.2 to OpenSuse or Suse 10 without uninstall?
<3> hmm, there's an environment variable to disable Pango rendering in Firefox, at runtime
<8> from What i have seen nothing beats YaST
<3> don't remember it...
<7> sasha2: su - then ifconfig
<1> benJIman: opera8 -> fast, IE6 -> not fast (faster than linux ff)
<2> sasha2: http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/
<0> frb-work: pretty much same results as my tests
<9> ghostbuster: wish me luck......
<4> ok
<1> benJIman: I'm booting XP+IE7 in vmware now
<0> IE7's printing is really good
<11> good luck
<0> not seen another browser do that
<0> it manages to fit nearly anything to a page
<0> opera/firefox/konqueror don't come close
<12> if I installed my suse-10 box with the intention of running gnome--likely installing only gnome packages, but, honestly, I don't remember at this point--what would be the best way to transition over to KDE?
<2> here it comes
<8> Azerion, that test is funny, i got Ubuntu the 1st time i used linux, and then i downloaded the whole thing just to realize it has no KDE
<2> install KDE-packages ;)
<7> sure is
<2> hehehe
<12> Azerion: wow... you make it sound so difficult... duh...
<2> I got SUSE
<2> ;)
<2> Well, must it be harder?
<0> ramz: yast -> software management -> change filter to "package selections", select the "kde" selection
<12> Azerion: certainly not... :)
<2> What do you mean exacly?
<0> ramz: then change the display manager from gdm to kdm in yast's /etc/sysconfig editor
<4> does suse have tcpdump
<2> NO!!!!!!!!
<0> sasha2: yes
<2> Never kdm if you have gdm!
<0> kdm rules
<0> Azerion: why would you not use kdm?
<1> benJIman: IE7b2 in vmware is hella slow too
<2> noway!
<8> whats wrong with kdm?
<2> KDm-themes does not come close to gdm-themes
<0> Azerion: kdm can use gdm themes...
<4> i did tcpdump as superuse and it can't find the program
<2> Since when?
<3> sasha2: install the tcpdump package
<9> ghostbuster: no luck :(
<0> since kde 3.4
<3> sasha2: yast2 --install tcpdump
<0> suse uses them by default
<2> :S
<4> ok
<2> where can i manage it?
<9> grub gave "error 12"
<8> yeah, and its hateful
<8> i hate that SuSE' start theme
<0> the blue one?
<2> 10.0 you mean
<8> yeah
<2> 9.3 was eye-candy :P
<0> there is a control center module to configure it but it's not included I don't think
<2> looks like Windows XP
<2> not nice
<0> http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=40&PHPSESSID=127021ebec99ca7f763047f72d10f100 <-kdm themes
<8> i disabled theme skin thing and use the default KDM ones
<11> is windows on the same drive as your linux is ?
<8> i now have a custom animated one
<9> no
<8> it takes like 5 seconds more to laod into KDE, but it looks good so bah
<0> kde starts in under 2seconds here heh
<8> how da heck?
<7> tweakin nice
<8> gee..
<2> Darn, why is the Ubuntu-crouwd always tagging their stuff?
<8> well actually my kde starts in about 5
<0> Azerion: gdm's grub integration, session management, quick user switching, and nicities like remembering last used user wern't as good last I looked at it
<2> Ubuntu!
<2> Now whe can't use it in SuSE :S
<8> but after it starts all these programs tried to start
<11> if you want info on grub type info grub
<0> starting multiple X sessions and quick switching between them works really well with kde/kdm
<6> !ubuntu
<13> Rumour has it ubuntu is ubuntu has done some fantastic improvements in linux usability
<12> any specific reason to install "All of KDE" rather than just KDE Desktop Environment?
<0> aka_druid_: look what you've done now
<2> just more packages
<6> yeah, messy
<8> benJIman, to switch to gdm with KDe you just need tio change the setting in sysconfig?
<2> true
<2> messy it is
<2> just don';t do it
<0> sakuya: once you've installed kdm yes
<12> Azerion: any packages of note?
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