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<0> wait to you see
<0> lol
<1> I've been using Linux for ~3 years now
<1> SuSE 8 was my first distro that I tried
<0> and you're
<0> ..
<0> so you stuck with suse
<0> did you try any others
<0> ?
<0> juippis?
<1> oh I've tried soo many different distros
<1> so many
<0> me too
<1> but now I have installed Gentoo, SuSE and FreeBSD
<1> an I'll keep those
<0> I haven't actually tried suse yet, but I'm going too
<0> freebsd, huh
<0> is it good?
<1> I like it more than Net- or OpenBSD
<0> I mean isn't it harder than linux
<0> at first
<0> I'd like to try it, in fact there are a few more distros that I have yet to try
<0> i use their live cd's
<0> juippis?
<2> BSD in general just doesn't have the level of hardware support...
<2> otherwise I'd try it
<2> on a permanant basis at least
<0> use it with vmware
<2> I'd rather use it w/ Xen. Vmware is crap in comparison
<0> xen is linuxonly?
<2> for now, the Xen kernel is Linux only..
<2> I heard they were working on Xen virtualization for Mac OS X and it's mach kernel
<0> that's a problem cause I always have to fall back to windows
<2> who knows when or if that will ever be finished.
<0> cool
<2> AviF: why do you have to fall back to Windows?
<0> that would be awesome!
<0> 1 .it's not my computer
<2> ah
<0> 2. wireless router is aol only
<2> eh? AOL only?
<2> that makes no sense
<0> (that's why I sign on with another wireless router of my neighbors)
<2> what router do you use?
<0> you have to sign into aol to use the interent
<0> wierd huh>
<2> why?
<0> don't know
<2> that doesn't make any sense.
<0> I think it's a deal between actiontec and aol
<0> who knows?
<2> your in the US, right?
<0> yep
<2> hmm..never heard of a router that had firmware that blocked any internet connection except for that thru AOL
<0> 3. only ubuntu dapper works with one of my wireless adapters
<2> right now I'm freeloading off of my neighbors unsecured wireless...
<0> maybe it was something else
<0> some don't care
<2> they didn't even change the default p***word on it, so I logged in, MAC filtered all of the other freeloaders off of it, and pwd protected it :)
<2> I of course still let the owners computers stay connected. I'm not cruel.
<0> lol
<0> the owners run windows?
<2> if I WEP it, they figure that something is up.
<2> yeah, except for I think they have one Mac running on it...
<2> they always have wierd NETBIOS names
<2> like Linux does, unless you set it.
<0> that means they're not dumb
<2> Mac users are not necessarily smart. In fact, many are quite to the contrary.
<0> using something other windows cl***ifies you as not dumb
<2> lol. That's going to a bit of a sweeping generalization.
<0> well at least they don't switch to windows
<0> they know they have the advantage
<2> most users that use Mac do it because it runs the software they use, such as sound, graphic editing, publishing...etc
<3> xen can be used on bsd
<2> If that was the case, then why do I have Mac owners coming to me asking what antivirus they should run?
<0> they've still had reasons
<0> because macs should run antivirus
<2> lol...
<0> they're not immune (contrary to some beliefs)
<2> Macs have no need yet for antivirus
<0> and neither is linux (unfortunately)
<2> not immune, but the risk is very low. Administrative access is much tighter. Even proof of concept trojans still prompt the user to enter a root p***word to install.
<1> AviF: maybe a little harder but not too much
<0> I know
<2> Nothing is immune, but the tradeoff in performance vs risk is not great enough to warrant Mac or Linux to run antivirus yet.
<0> still...some insist
<0> put it this way it won't bog down their system as much
<0> it still will however
<2> thats why I tell them "Ok, so you want to spend $60 per year to defend you against the 5 Mac viruses that exsist...
<2> and which most of them are laboratory proof of concept viruses that are not in the wild?
<0> no free antivirus software
<0> free
<0> paying is very stupid
<2> AviF, have you ever ran Norton Internet Security on anything less than 256MB of RAM?
<2> especially on a slower processor?
<0> never ran norton at all
<2> even Norton Antiviruses auto-protect eats up ****loads of cpu cycles.
<0> macaffee which comes with aol
<0> and ad-aware se
<2> well Norton Antivirus is really the only viable vendor for Macs.
<0> there a free one
<2> AviF: yeah, but not for Mac
<0> how about macscan
<0> anyway...
<2> I said viable antivirus, one that is backed by a company big enough to have a certain amount of liability in it's product.
<0> you guys look at this channel's quotes:
<0> http://suse-irc.org/quotes.php
<0> funny!
<0> k
<2> McAfee's antivirus software is a bit of a joke. I've seen **** slip by AOL's version of it more than a handful of times.
<2> I know, I've read :)
<0> heh
<0> I'm happy with ad-aware se
<0> and someone (same person who showed me linux, I knew it already) reccomended clamwin
<0> both free
<0> so did you see the quotes?
<2> you realize that Ad-aware SE is not an antivirus scanner, right?
<0> yep
<2> it's spyware only...nor does it have real time scanning
<0> I knew that
<2> I dislike de-facto scanners :\
<0> that's why I bundle it
<0> real time scanning?
<2> if your going to use an antispyware utility, use SpySweeper
<2> AviF: yeah. Ad-aware SE does not block anything from getting on your computer in the first place...
<0> I know that
<2> it can only attempt to remove it after the infection is detected after the fact
<2> which is horrible, because some spyware just can't be removed feasilby
<2> feasibly*
<2> Spysweeper is far better than any other spyware blocking/scanning software I've seen to date.
<0> the same guy said that if you download clamwin (or clamav for linux, I'm guessing) and the you download a certain firefox extension, well you figure it out
<0> take a guess
<2> AviF: not understanding what your getting at...
<0> scans every page when you open it
<0> that's good
<0> that's real time scanning, right?
<1> no it's not
<1> slows browsing
<0> then what is?
<1> just let Firefox handle the pages
<2> realtime scanning is scanning any active files and processes that are running on your computer, while web browsing or not
<0> when the macaffee bar pop up telling me it found a trojan
<0> ?
<0> *pops
<1> ah, Windows (l)user?
<2> thats browser monitoring - a bit different
<2> lol @ Juippis
<0> how'd you guess?
<0> lol
<1> :-(
<0> and linux user
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