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<0> wtf happened to members.msn.com ???
<1> ExitMenu: Why do you find it difficult?
<0> :/ only reason i used this site was being able too browse town people listing, but seem like they removed that
<2> its not really difficult its just all annoying that I had to add the source my self etc
<2> I dont know there was just somthing easy about emerge -u world, lol
<1> bill-barrier: 733t 7i@r
<3> i agree exitmenu
<3> id be using kubuntu right now but suse is the only distro that has a kernel module for my netork card
<0> i ****ing hate microsoft
<4> ExitMenu, yum is easy. Fedora rulez. Suse blowz.
<4> I have to use Suse for werk. :~(
<3> go back under your bridge Jizzbug
<0> Jizzbug, your looking yo get killed or something ?
<2> Egads Red Hat is what pushed me to gentoo , rpm package management was a nightmare under redhat 9
<4> nah... just wanna figure out how to make a custom dvd is all
<1> MadRush|: lol
<2> One of the things I find odd is how much hate the Linux Community have for each other distro vs distro, Window manager vs Window Manger etc
<4> exitmenu: more of a nightmare under Suse, since they lag behind in rpm 4.1 and all their b***ackwards spec macros (finally fixed in Suse Factory, thankfully)
<1> Yeah...lets just concentrate on hating microsoft..
<2> why ?
<3> i could care less what distro, i just want it to be EZ and to work. kubuntu fit that bill, except to get my network driver to work on my new mobo, i gotta recompile the kernel, soooo suse it is
<5> I'm going to concentrate on roffling about l33t
<2> I was looking at the Linux standar base project the other day, its a nice idea as a developer having some libaries I can depend on being there makes life easier
<4> I'm hoping with the move to RPM 4.4 in Factory, that OpenSuse folks and Rawhide folks will finally start coordinating/cooperating on spec files.
<4> It only makes perfect sense to do so.
<4> No need to re-implement the xorg-x11 spec file in every damn RPM-based distro.
<5> dude, they haven't cooperated for the last 10 years, what makes you think they will start now?
<5> you do realize that RedHat and Suse are the 2 buggest commercial RIVALS?
<5> s/bugg/bigg/
<6> frb-work meant: you do realize that RedHat and Suse are the 2 biggest commercial RIVALS?
<4> because they started copying each other either "enterprise linux" and then "community driven distro"... now they can start copying spec files.
<5> SLES existed before RHEL, and is still a better product
<2> I think for Linux to succed in the business world it will need to standarise
<5> redhat's community version flat out ****s
<4> suse did proprietary-ish "enterprise" model, then red hat copied. red hat did fedora, and suse copied. now they should just copy spec files those bastards
<4> how about they **** equally ?
<2> Its still to easy for MS or apple (or even freebsd) to say we are a standard platform linux is a bunch of hackers living in the mothers basements
<4> because they suse definitely ****s... and i'll agree that fedora ****s, too.
<5> ExitMenu: except they aren't
<2> with no standards that makes moving it forward a difficult tasks
<5> in windows, MSN Messenger, Office, and IE all look completely different
<4> i live in my own apartment
<5> anyway, I don't think the problem is the differences in RedHat and Suse
<1> So do I...and scew a diffrent girl most weekends...
<1> ha
<2> Its not to do with look and feel its more to do with libs and kernal features
<5> the issue is the non-cooperation of ***hole zealouts that use free distros like debian or gentoo
<5> Yep, windows is standardized, put EVERYTHING in windows/system32, and let god sort it out
<0> gentoo got cowsay its definativly superior
<0> how can we live without speaking cow
<0> damn
<2> lol true but thats what business whants to here a lot of the time , means they have to think less
<4> debian and gentoo developers aren't ***hole zealots
<1> Now Listening To: My Dog Eats Beats by Console on Rocket In The Pocket
<5> windows is so standard, that I need a USB STICK to install a Network driver so I can even get the rest of my drivers
<5> Jizzbug: ever tried to get cooperation from them if you aren't a GNU project with a free license?
<4> look what I added to the wishlist weeks ago: http://en.opensuse.org/Wishlist_Base
<2> I did not say it was a hood standard, I said it was a standard
<5> Jizzbug: how come your name isn't on it?
<2> /hood/good
<4> cause I'm not the only one that wants it
<5> Jizzbug: have you submitted any patches yet?
<4> I could put my name, but my name don't mean ****.
<5> and I seriously doubt you've ever done any largescale packaging with both redhat and suse
<2> (I can belive this thing is still reading package information)
<4> frb-work, i doubt I have either
<5> guess what, I have
<4> that's neato
<4> guess what, i've done other stuff
<5> your wishlist item as presented is a laughable request with no reason for serious consideration
<4> bet you haven't done some things i have
<0> amen
<4> frb-work, yes, cooperation is laughable isn't it?
<4> hahaha cooperation! ahaha
<5> ok, you now lost all credibility, since you only read half of what you are told
<2> lol when are we going to get to the "My dad could beat up your dad" stage in this converstion
<4> i read it all, i'm just trying to talk like you are is all
<4> it's fun isn't it?
<5> you are failing miserably
<7> Cant wait till Jizzbug says that his friends dad is a freenode operator and he tells him to gline this channel
<4> just learin' from the master
<2> fight fight fight
<5> Your arguments are straight from the free software zealout handbook and have no basis in a real world situation
<5> Your wishlist request requires more work than you can fathom, yet you present it as a weekend project
<5> THen you argue using laughter and implying that the developers are lazy ***holes who don't want to work with anyone else
<8> hi, I'm trying to install suse on my HP Pavilion ZV6233nr notebook
<9> hello
<8> suse 10.0 to be exact
<2> lo
<4> you arguments are those of a superior ***hole how is better than everybody else. you ***ume things before you've spoken with someone and ***ert things with were never stated
<8> the problem is it freezes when probing for PCI devices
<9> quickie question, to install suse, do i need all 5 cd's?
<5> I know packaging better than most of the world yes
<5> and this is a packaging issue
<5> DeMoNSeEd: if you want to use CDs to install, yes
<4> frb-work, you work for suse/novell?
<9> k ty
<8> any ideas?
<5> Jizzbug: I worked for ximian a few years ago, and packaged mozilla, evolution, and most of gnome for a total of 22 different flavors of linux, including solaris and multiple PPC distros
<5> so yes, I know packaging
<4> frb-work, i'm impressed and appreciate your efforts. apologies for being a lamer, i was just following what i saw as your lead. honestly, i mean no disrepect, i just thought we were bein' l33t and ****
<4> frb-work, but still, you were the ***hole first ;)
<2> lol
<0> damn no blood
<10> yeah i hear yeah bill
<0> :(
<11> l33t? hahahahaha
<4> he started the l33t thing, too
<4> ;)
<5> the l33t wikipedia entry is one of the funniest things I've ever read
<8> please... help... please :(
<4> yeah, i read it after you mentioned it, it is funny
<5> |_Neo_|: tried safe mode?
<8> yes
<10> |_Neo_|, whats the issue ?
<8> install disk freezes when probin for pci devices
<8> oh... and I have to use textmode to see that, otherwise I can't see anything
<5> btw, Redhat always surp***es everyone with newer incompatible versions of RPM
<5> they employ the author, and he is an ***hole
<4> Anyways, never meant the merging of specs as an insult to the laziness of suse/fedora developers. Personally, I track Rawhide, and am forced to develop on/for Suse at work. I honestly think it would be a good thing in the medium-to-long run... Never did I mean to suggest anything otherwise.
<4> well, i mean to suggest the two camps don't cooperate, which is obvious to us all
<8> oh...forgot to mention I'm using the internet instalation boot image
<1> http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/
<5> I wonder if that damn rodent saw it's solar projection today
<7> ... anyone else experiencing problems with kxdocker 0.40 rc2 not starting up at all?
<5> yep, shadow
<12> hi.i 'm trying to install suse 10. i get past the bootsplash, but then my monitor (sony lcd) says out of range. anyone know how can i solve this?
<5> vicks: I had that problem before too
<5> vicks: I ended up getting a CRT and continuing the install with that
<12> frb-work: eh, thats a bit to mmuch a h***le for me. thanks anyway
<4> The only thing that really annoys me about Suse is they have no sensible alternative to rc.local. Sure there's boot.local, but it's the exact opposite of rc.local.
<5> Jizzbug: that would be a valid and simple wishlist
<5> having a local.d and a rc.local that runs all the parts
<4> but won't be implemented, like you said, because it hasn't happened in 10 years
<2> ffs why is kmix so ****, I have muted the sound but does it work does it feck
<5> Jizzbug: you need to look at the scale and implications of what you are asking before generalizing like that
<4> i was just kiddin' that time ;)
<4> hopefully rpmforge will force factory and rawhide to cooperate closer
<5> it's hard
<5> it's not just the rpm macros, but the fundamental package naming is different
<8> so... any ideas?
<4> Neo: pci=noacpi
<4> in the boot line
<13> pci=routeirq , figure try test play anything
<8> isn't that the noacpi option in the menu?
<4> that acpi=off
<4> nearly the same thing
<2> (118 update Packages, this si going to be painfull)
<13> noapic
<13> (yes, but also acpi=off)
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