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<0> Hi, I'm coding a screensaver in SDL... and I have some trouble detecting mouse movements when the window is not open (need this to prevent the screensaver from starting if the user moves the mouse)
<0> any ideas? :)
<1> Yes, don't make screensavers in SDL.
<0> other than that? :)
<2> erm
<2> you shouldn't do mouse detection
<0> I just want it to be portable
<2> the OS takes care of that and starts your screensaver
<0> not all OS'es
<2> well, checking for mouse detection OS-wise is impossible to do portable :P
<0> fun to discover that after coding the entire thing :)
<1> Screensavers aren't portable to start with. Under Windows they are programs which should export functions to draw the preview, under MacOS X they have to be made using the screensaver cocoa framework, under linux you have to use the absolutely mindbendingly horrible XScreenSaver mess of macros.
<0> Maybe I could code an OS specific application that starts the sdl exe as a module or somtn
<2> why?
<2> the OS probably has stuff to do it already
<2> xscreensaver
<0> Coding it for MorphOS
<0> doesn't have built in screensaver support
<3> !mirros
<3> !mirrors
<4> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=187344 and Linux distros can be used as SDL mirrors: tinyurl.com/27lyls
<1> Oh dear, so the 'Amiga' isn't for jokes then :)
<0> lol :)
<5> I hear OS4 is finally at 1.0?
<6> I hear it's at 4.0 :)
<6> My MorphOS is still at 1.45 :(
<6> Well, still beats OS4 in many ways
<5> I find it hilarious that Hyperion didn't want to hear of an x86 version and now even Apple switched to Intel
<6> PPC isn't their problem
<6> Or I mean... There are far bigger problems
<6> X86 wouldn't cure anything really
<6> Although maybe it would bring price down to "normal PPC prices"
<1> Availability of cheap high-performance chips would be advantegous.
<6> You would still need "special Amiga hardware" that's the only one that gets granted a licence
<6> And who on earth is going to manufacture some for such small market?
<6> Well someone will, and the market size will make the prices skyrocket
<6> tesmako: What's the point if you can't use them?
<6> tesmako: It's not like there was NO ppc hardware. It's just that OS4 is ported to one... Or two
<6> Depends on if you want to separate the two quite different models. Both **** anyway
<5> why not make it run on your average PC?
<6> Both have bad DMA problems among others
<6> wozpa: Why not make it run on ANY other AVAILABLE ppc before talking about switching totally different & incompatible CPU?
<5> It's silly to limit the OS to custom hardware
<5> Jupp3: because the time is up
<5> actually, it's way to late for anything by now
<6> wozpa: It is. But on X86, it would probably still be limited to "custom X86 hardware", and I really can't see the big difference to custom PPC hardware
<6> Except for a LOT worse backwards compatibility
<6> That isn't one of OS4's strong points anyway, but... :D
<6> wozpa: Okay, make is X86. Find some company that will do, say, $500 1GHz or-so X86 boards, just for amiga market
<6> That company manufactures them for a while, then calls it quits. There's no hardware
<6> What's the big difference to the current situation?
<6> It's not like the licence problems would just disappear
<5> backwards compat? There never was much PPC-only software
<6> Well 68k compatibility wouldn't be too easy either
<5> but you don't need custom hardware
<6> But doable, yeah
<5> UAE does it today
<6> Amiga needs
<6> Or "needs", licences say so
<5> and Amithlon did 68k faster than any real 68k
<6> sure is
<6> Just becouse there aren't any fast enough real 68k's :D
<5> Amiga needs someone with an IQ > 1 at the wheel
<6> It was funny to see how impressed some OS4 fans were with their "all-asm jit"
<6> And do some tests and see how much faster the "obviously slower, it's written in C" MorphOS equivalent was
<6> Long ago we could get same framerates on higher resolution and stuff
<6> Doing some software-3D tests
<6> wozpa: You surely know that Amiga inc. hasn't even bothered announcing the availability of OS4? :)
<6> Shows how much they care
<6> wozpa: But seriously... I can't see why Amiga inc. would be more generous in granting licences to various hardware alternatives on X86 than (as now) on PPC
<6> And that would likely lead to expensive custom hardware... And that's what we have on PPC already
<6> Well ok, there's currently no available hardware to run OS4 on, but when/if it will be available again, it will be expensive or slow
<6> likely both :P
<6> You know, (after >1.5 years of waiting) new hardware is (still) just around the corner!
<5> no DMC users in, I suppose?
<6> DMC?
<5> digital mars compiler
<6> wozpa: Anyway, I've been (more or less) running MorphOS since Amiga inc. announced that Cl***ic AmigaOS is dead, and there won't be new versions (OS4) so why should I really care about it, when they finally allow someone else to do it :)
<5> great, lib hung the console
<5> why does ".c.o:" work, but ".c.obj:" not?
<5> in a makefile
<7> !mirrors
<4> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=187344 and Linux distros can be used as SDL mirrors: tinyurl.com/27lyls
<7> say... is there a SDL port for Plan9?
<2> why is a 'port' needed?
<2> isn't it just download and compile?
<2> or do they have weird graphic libs?
<7> well... the library needs to be ported...
<7> just not apps using it
<7> but hmm....
<2> define port... you download the library code and compile?
<6> fails to compile => port :P
<8> hi I hacked together a program to draw the mandelbrot set http://rafb.net/p/IbXF6P67.html but I want to increase the screen resolution to something like 1280x1024 when I try this the program does not work .. ne pointers appreciated ..
<5> night
<9> Hello :)
<10> Is this possible to get the dimension of the created SDL window with no handle to SDL surface ?. I've taken a good look at the doc but found nothing.
<2> screen->width etc, only way
<2> keep your screen SDL_surface around!
<10> anyone ? How can I get the dimension of a SDL window ?
<11> aww
<11> I knew how to do that one too
<11> fn1: have you got PovAddict on your ignore list?
<10> feesh: No, what do you mean ?
<2> I answred you
<11> he told you how to get the dimensions is all
<2> <2> screen->width etc, only way
<2> <2> keep your screen SDL_surface around!
<10> PovAddict: I'm sorry, my networking is unstable this time, can you paste the answers again ?
<2> just did
<10> PovAddict: Oh
<10> PovAddict: So there's no other way around, I'm building a lightweight helper functions so that would mean creating a global variable. I don't want the users to save this variable around.
<2> guess the pointer
<2> :P
<11> haha
<11> SDL doesn't keep a pointer to your screen no
<2> oh WAIT
<2> !mirrors
<4> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=187344 and Linux distros can be used as SDL mirrors: tinyurl.com/27lyls
<2> where's the DOCS mirror?
<11> PovAddict: what are you remembering?
<2> http://docs.mandragor.org/files/Common_libs_documentation/SDL/SDL_Documentation_project_en/sdlgetvideosurface.html
<2> \o/
<10> PovAddict: Just what I needed :) thanks much.
<10> feesh: Thanks.
<2> somebody add the URL for doc mirror: tinyurl.com/2fb2zx
<11> fn1: SDL_Surface *SDL_GetVideoSurface (void);
<2> I dont know how to use the bot (maybe I cant?)
<11> PovAddict: that function helps alot <:|
<10> feesh: I got the doc handy, thanks anyway, I missed that function.
<12> whose up
<2> so who was the Bastard Operator From Hell here?
<2> hmm I tihnk it was another channel
<12> heh
<12> tesmako?
<2> was from another channel...
<2> http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/giftsunder10/8c52/
<2> you may find it interesting anyway
<12> hum ...
<12> management should be subject to stalinist style purges
<12> not just a few beeps
<12> PovAddict lets chat i need guidance
<12> if you have the time
<12> did you fall off
<13> !mirrors
<4> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=187344 and Linux distros can be used as SDL mirrors: tinyurl.com/27lyls
<8> I have hacked together a mandelbrot set program .. http://rafb.net/p/QBj2Cf56.html however I want to increase the screen resolution to 1280 x 1024 but the program fails to run .. ne help appreciated
<8> neone home?
<14> mad_muppet: Perchance.
<8> soz just got back .. what do u mean Zao?
<14> I might be around =)
<8> yeah I was just reading thru and came to that myself .. doh ..:p
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