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<0> well I trying to creat GUI element with python
<1> even that is exactly the same as on other systems, unless you want to use something that only works on Windows (like MFC)
<1> PyQT, wxPython, Tkinter and PyGTK all work the same on Windows as on other systms.
<0> ahum well I dont have that much experience with python yet
<2> hmm, i can compare directly a caracter with a number directly ? like char >= 48 where 48 is caracter ascii code?
<1> holo: ord(char) >= 48 or char >= chr(48)
<0> Yhg1s :: what is best used for windows scripting with python I downloaded pyWin or some kind of lib
<1> DaRamirez: for windows *scripting*, why do you need a GUI?
<3> hi. im new to OO scripting. to be a bit more percise (please excuse my bad enligsh), i have a text file with a lot of elements, each elements have sevral atributes. i want to create a cl*** where i can have a list of elements, and have a subcl*** where i can store and process the atributs of each element. can you give me a quick example or point me to some easy to read docs (english is not my first language). i have no idea of how to attack this pr
<0> I created a data merging script and like to create a little window that let you set advanced options
<1> DaRamirez: 'pywin' is a library of Windows-specific API calls (mostly). it's useful for extracting Windows-specific information, and doing windows-specific tasks, but it won't help you make a GUI (well, not much.)
<1> DaRamirez: just pick a windowing toolkit and read a tutorial on it.
<2> the english doesn't seem that bad
<0> wich one would you recommand ?
<4> DaRamirez: we cant recommend any
<4> DaRamirez: we DO NOT know which one is the best for you
<0> kbrooks :: mean ?
<1> DaRamirez: I'm the wrong person to ask, I don't do GUI's. For Windows, PyQT and wxPython are popular (because of their 'native look and feel', whatever that means.)
<4> DaRamirez: only you know
<5> Can modules also be called libraries?
<5> Or are libraries only a C/C++ thing?
<0> Well I dont know if ya know pspad ? but I creating couple off extension for it and nead to be enable to create GUI element
<1> pianoboy3333: they are sometimes called libraries, yes.
<0> need* = nead
<1> never heard of pspad. is it an existing Python application?
<4> pianoboy3333: modules are modular, therefore they are libraries
<5> But are libraries modules?
<0> Ahum na is a delphi application but can be extended using python
<1> pianoboy3333: depends on the library.
<4> pianoboy3333: depends
<3> guys.. any tips for my problem above?
<0> like an internal scriptin language for manipulating en creating self defined functions
<1> DaRamirez: then it could be that pspad wants Python code to use a specific gui library, or even a pspad-specific API.
<1> DaRamirez: or it could be that pspad doesn't like the Python code it embeds to be a GUI (it could disrupt the operation of pspad.)
<0> well pspad has a couple of specifiek functions of its own to be called true python but for creating GUI elements there is no real support
<2> DaRamirez, pyQT uses QT, and QT in windows is paid if you want the program for commercial purpposes ( the licence costs over 250$ for each programmer and and last 1 year i think)
<6> how can i have methods in cl***es i can call without first instantiating the cl***??
<1> Loady: I'm not sure I understand the design, but it seems to me that you've planned to far ahead. Start smaller, by first making your cl*** hold everything, then split it up into subcl***es.
<0> holo : no not really I just want some kinde lib / api that enables me to create window en form elements easly with out creating 100 lines of code
<6> sqlobject.SQLObject.createTable() does it...
<4> squirrelpimp: cl*** method
<1> squirrelpimp: depends. if they aren't really methods (they don't do anything with the cl*** or instances of the cl***), a solution would be not to put it in the cl***.
<1> squirrelpimp: if it's a method that operates on the cl***, make it a cl***method.
<6> yeah... it doesn't operate on the cl***...
<6> but somehow belongs to it...
<2> DaRamirez, grom what i heard, not personal experience, pyQT is the most native for python and it integrates nicely in the system touch & feel
<1> squirrelpimp: no, sqlobject.SQLObject.createTable is a cl***method.
<2> s/grom/from
<6> Yhg1s: but it works without an instance of my derived cl***...
<1> squirrelpimp: yes. it's a *cl**** method. not a regular method.
<2> DaRamirez, i meant look & feel, but whatever :s
<1> squirrelpimp: a cl***method is a method that doesn't take an instance as first argument, but the cl***. It can be called on both an instance of the cl*** (as usual), and on the cl*** directly.
<0> holo thnx but you said it is a paid lib and i'm kinde lookig for a free one
<2> DaRamirez, its paid for commercial uses only
<0> Okee could you give me an url to it ?
<7> no, it's not. it's paid for _proprietary_ use
<8> squirrelpimp: there is also the staticmethod decorator
<7> if your app isn't under GPL compatible license, you can't use Qt without paying
<2> Juhaz, ha ok
<0> okee mmm, well any alternitives
<2> well, it's a nicer licencce
<2> *licence
<3> Yhg1s: ok. this is what it is. im creating a helper app for apt-get and all information for the installed apt packages is in a file. its a flat file. where each package has a segment, witch contains a few atributes as version, description etc. i need to make a cl*** for each package. so far so good. then i need to have a cl*** for the entire database. this is where im stuck. how do i do this?
<7> haven't looked it, but pspad license itself could restrict how the plugins can be restricted
<0> Ahum well pspad is a free application
<1> DaRamirez: that doesn't mean it doesn't have a restricted license
<0> it is an editor that you can use for nearly any programming language and scripting
<0> I never really understood that licence part :S
<4> DaRamirez: link to pspad
<0> www.pspad.com
<1> Loady: I'm not sure I understand the dilemma. You create the cl*** to hold the entire database the same way as you create any other cl***. There's nothing magical about a cl*** that holds refereces to other cl***es -- that's what all cl***es do.
<0> http://www.pspad.com
<4> DaRamirez: freeware == free as in beer, not free as in speech
<0> but wich one do you recommand then, since I dont really understand that licence part
<9> hello all!
<9> plz, someone can tellme how i can use audio on python?
<9> note: the most latency-less way
<1> leleobhz: depends on what you want.
<9> Yhg1s: i want to sounds noises
<10> pygame
<1> leleobhz: pygame has an audio layer, but it's somewhat limited. if you want more control, there are platform-specific modules (ossaudio, winsound) that you could use.
<9> (!)
<1> leleobhz: if you just want to sound noises, 'print "\x07"' will do it on most systems.
<9> Yhg1s: yeap, but on a specified frequency
<1> so you don't want to 'sound noises', you want specific things. So the possible solutions are restricted by your specific needs ;)
<3> Yhg1s: could you be so kind to have a look at this. http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/621
<9> hmmmm
<1> Loady: what do you want package_db to hold? just a list of packages? no need for a cl*** then. Or a dictionary mapping package name to 'package' instance? just use a dict.
<3> Yhg1s: ok, i need to create sevral databases. as im going to use it agaist available packages. i thought it would be better to have a cl*** for the db or list as well. so that i can use it more than once. or do you think that is a bad idea? am i over complicating things?
<3> Yhg1s: as this is my first cl*** and OO expirence, i might be overdoing things. im realy trying to get in the OO mindset.
<11> hi, i'm new to python though not to programming. i'm looking for a good language to write some computer-aided music composition software that runs on windows. can this be done with python, library-wise &c? pointers to audio-related libraries would be appreciated.
<12> modulus: I cant help you with that really, but do you mean you want to place out sounds on a/several timelines or how? or do you want more "do stuff with sound waves"?
<11> well, initially i want to use the OS's midi capabilities, later i'll be wanting to do some realtime synthesis although that's secondary at this time.
<11> so, more to do with talking to the OS midi interface than playing wave files or so
<13> mmm
<13> if in __init__ of cl*** 'MyCl***' I state : self.variable = value
<13> can I retrieve it in any way in MyCl***:otherFunction() ?
<13> I tried print self.variable but it didn't work
<12> modulus: alrite.. sounds fun, dont know it tho. I've only played wave-files via win32api's PlaySound() :/
<11> hmm, i see. seems there's not much demand for this kind of thing on languages...
<12> Jojosan: should work, but you have to declade otherFunction with argument 'self' first
<13> Suszer, ok
<12> modulus: maybe this is something: http://www.mxm.dk/products/public/pythonmidi/
<13> great !
<13> My first python server works :)
<12> :D nice
<13> (or seems to)
<13> hehe, yep :)
<13> now the PHP interface to it
<13> another story :)
<12> Jojosan: what kind of server is it?
<13> a kind of playlist server, for my radio.
<12> alrite.. that's cool
<13> it's designed to control remotely my playlist :)
<8> Jojosan: you are cruel :) giving your python server a php interface
<14> hi, does anyone know a Python Soap library that supports DIME attachments?
<11> hmm, thanks, checking.
<13> so that my listeners can have what they want
<13> ChrisLong, never used python for websites
<13> I could heh :)
<1> Loady: it seems to me that you are overcomplicating things, yes. I'd use a dict to map package-names to their 'package' instances. If that isn't adequate, you can later change it from a dict to a special cl***.
<13> I would keep using twisted
<13> (btw, it's also my first server)
<13> (and my first time in object oriented programming)
<5> Can anyone here help me with optparse?
<1> pianoboy3333: not unless you ask a question.
<12> Jojosan: sounds like a brave thing to do as a first project! wishing you all luck
<13> Suszer, seems to work :)
<13> (I'm used to programming, just new to these concepts)
<12> Jojosan: do you actually _play_ the music in the program too? or does your program use a daemon or something
<13> it plays the sound in it.
<13> Through some code from pymad and pyogg
<13> (just the play part)
<13> still not tested, for the sound output.
<12> haha ;) what OS?
<5> Yhg1s: ahhh, i forgot...
<13> Debian GNU/Linux
<13> I stream my alsa output to an icecast2 server through ices2
<5> Yhg1s: ah, ok my rss reader takes --cli as an argument, but then also after that the name of the site to parse, how does that work out?
<12> ok, I actually got a thunder storm here, cya later people
<5> Yhg1s: here's what I'm working on: http://python.pastebin.com/743016
<11> hmm, unfortunately: Currently it cannot read and write to midi ports. So no real time event handling is possible.
<1> pianoboy3333: --cli is an option, and the site to parse is an argument. optparse only parses the options, and leaves the rest of the arguments alone.
<2> why is here a syntax error? : if ord(file_char = 48 and ord(file_char) <= 57:
<2> it points to ":"
<2> LOL
<2> i saw now
<2> vim has colors and i didn't see it.... i don't understand
<2> grr python forces atribution before test structures right?
<1> holo: it wut wah huh?
<5> Yhg1s: there's no way to say that in `muirss --cli http://piano.juicemedia.tv/rss/pastebin.php' that it can parse that site into someting? but I also need it to return that it's using --cli...
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