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<0> does the smtp module allows ssl connections?
<1> so, if it was namesd CRLStrTable instead of Table, then I would know it was indexed by column, then row, and that it contained lists of strings
<1> nah, i should have known it was indexed by column first by freaking printing it out
<2> Toran, according to what?
<3> What do you mean?
<1> but i instincively indexed by row and as i got more and more frantic i stopped thinking
<4> gah, i havent looked at this code in 4 months.... i have no idea where i left off
<5> that's always fun
<6> Toran: that's just a standard timestamp, isn't it?
<3> LeedsHK: It is;
<3> I need it in unix seconds, though, so I can compare it to other datetimes
<6> Toran: do you care about the timezone?
<4> Toran, you know that there is a module you can use for that, right?
<3> LeedsHK: no
<3> datazone: Actually, yes, but it doesn't seem to like this time stamp format. It looks standard to me, so I am maybe missing something obvious?
<6> it is standard, just not common AFAIK - I'd craft a strptime for it
<3> Ok
<4> you tried the parsedate stuff in the email module
<6> Toran: http://thinkhole.org/wp/2006/01/04/parsing-iso-8601-timestamps/
<7> eigenlambda: hungarian was designed for putting type information on variables that you needed to know and the compiler didn't and couldn't enforce. not this pzsFoo* crap
<8> sproingie, er, what?
<7> halley: just belated reply to to a previous comment
<6> halley: someone - here, I think - pointed me to a good essay on the subject a week or few back
<8> hungarian *is* this "pszFoo*" crap
<7> i suppose that's hungarian notation. hungarian was probably designed so huns and gars could talk to each other :)
<7> halley: it wasn't originally
<8> Well, yes.
<6> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Wrong.html
<8> Someone's taking Joel on Software as gospel?
<6> not gospel, but making interesting points
<8> Charles Simonyi is "the Hungarian" in question.
<8> He used the FORTRAN penchant for variable names while writing in C.
<8> That's all there is to it.
<1> m_PLZStrSimonyi
<7> joel does his usual thing of taking truth and stretching and folding it into fine flakey phyllo-layers of bull****
<6> the simple point being made is that you can encode metadata into variable names, quite sanely
<7> paul graham also possesses such a talent
<8> Sure, but you can be inaccurate too.
<8> C++ symbol mangling is another form of the same thing.
<0> anybody knows a free outgoing email server that i can use to send an email with python?
<0> i tried gmai, but it hangs, probably because it requires ssl
<9> halley: he makes a good point about 'clean' though
<6> mariodemon_11: your ISP
<10> halley: Nothing like that. c++ uses the underlying C-based symbol systems. The mangling is the only way to allow for operator overloading.
<8> mariodemon_11, er, sendmail?
<11> WNHND hndlpszMyVariableWindowMessageIntermediateVariable;
<8> Erwin, the mangling is still metadata in the symbol.
<6> morning Erwin...
<7> halley: of course the compiler enforces it in that case, so mangling it by hand is no longer necessary
<0> halley: do i need to download other software to use sendmail'
<0> ?
<12> hello all. i'm having a problem when importing the smtpd module. it always gives me an error "'module' object has no attribute 'SMTPServer'" (when importing). i'm using python 2.4.2 on gentoo. any ideas?
<1> joel complains about not putting brackets around bar in if(foo) bar;
<8> sproingie, agreed, it's fallible due to system limits, not due to capricious humanity.
<1> then, the synesthesiac talks about code smelling clean
<7> pundits love analogies. joel's are sort of like the ones an uncle tells you
<7> "i had an onion on my belt..."
<8> eigenlambda :)
<8> http://halley.cc/ed/resume/
<13> halley: you are responsible for MFC?
<14> eigenlambda: joel, as in joelonsoftware?
<13> Jerub: get the gun
<14> eigenlambda: 90% of what he has to say is completely worthless.
<8> teratorn, not responsible for MFC 2.0 by any means
<10> teratorn: And how he does Python. Andrew Koenig, too.
<13> halley: heh
<14> halley: that's a really impressive resume.
<8> I'm responsible for the fact that MFC shipped full source code "for reference", and for the fact that it was providing useful container cl***es as well as a 1:1 C Win16 API binding before ATL and STL were standardized.
<8> Then they added CDocument in 2.0.
<8> I still use MFC (and even the distorted MVC abomination of CDocument) but I don't care what others say about it. It had its historical reasons for being, and it's not entirely ugly by itself.
<8> The Win API is ugly and MFC was lipstick on a pig.
<8> Jerub, thanks.
<8> I was just pointing it out to lend credence to the theory that I've met and had discussions with Simonyi.
<8> ;)
<15> hey
<15> is there some way I can get a list of states or something from glibc or some sort of locale?
<15> i can't seem to find it
<8> List of states? .ca.us etc?
<15> Florida, Georgia, you know the US states...
<14> halley: have you ever given thought to being the twisted win32 release maintainer?
<8> No, I have no Microsoft products within the confines of my home. :)
<15> halley: hello???
<8> brian, this is IRC. Deal with the fact that threads of conversation can overlap.
<6> halley: so is Simonyi an evil man, dedicated to making all code unreadable, worldwide?
<8> Leeds, no, he probably doesn't code at all anymore, and he was trying to make his code MORE readable for it. It got slightly carried away but at the time, C was not a popular language on microcomputers.
<8> brian, I don't think any of the C runtimes has a list of geography facts.
<6> brian: why would you expect glibc to care about US geopolitical divisions?
<15> doesn't gnu.org have lists
<15> i just want a list in text format :(
<6> then just make a list!
<15> That will take forever :(
<8> Christ on a crutch. Maybe there might be something, er, I dunno, on a computer network somewhere.
<8> Go to any form where you have to fill out states, cut and paste the form data.
<15> I searched google.
<16> LeedsHK, DRM, obviously
<15> I need a list of countries and everything too!
<6> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_states#List_of_states
<8> brian, CIA World Factbook
<15> i'll have to screenscrape
<15> =(
<15> i don 't wanna
<6> Brend: fair point
<8> Screenscrape?
<8> Cut
<8> and
<8> paste
<5> You can probably find some ISO country codes out there, too..
<17> can anyone recommend a form library that people are actually using? hopefully one that's web-framework-agnostic.
<15> #python.web ???
<17> oh, wait, yes.
<16> The irony here is cataclysmic
<6> the ironing?
<16> You must be American.
<8> Leeds, yeah, the cosmic wrinkle that put brian's question and Chairos' question in the same conversation.
<14> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States-related_topics is really frustrating
<14> I'm sure there's got to be a 'list of states in the united states' but I can't find it
<16> Jerub: It's cl***ified because it could compromise homeland security
<2> why dont you look at google jerome >
<2> Jerub,
<15> How does Microsoft and friends get these lists :(
<8> Everything but actually using the computer to your advantage?
<8> What editor do you use?
<6> Jerub: uh... I posted it abov
<14> ahh
<14> thankyou :)
<14> oh yes, of course.
<14> CIA world factbook
<13> Jerub: National secrets!
<6> y'all trust the CIA?
<8> That's actually a really nice atlas resource.
<7> factbook is very basic info, pretty acccurate. the interesting info comes from janes
<6> brian: they have full-time geographers on staff, just for this stuff...
<6> the main problem with the factbook is that it's not updated often enough
<5> wikipedia's pretty informative
<14> LeedsHK: are you actually in hong kong at the moment?
<6> Jerub: I am
<14> LeedsHK: I went to school there :)
<18> is python.web always empty like it's now ? or is it more active at some periods ?
<5> what are we trying to find out from the CIA Factbook?
<2> hong kong shang hai business corp
<6> defcon8: banking
<2> thats what hsbc stands for
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