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<0> need to find time to configure this vim
<0> :)
<1> but one tab is easier to type ;)
<0> make your editor insert 4 spaces when you press tab
<2> one tab is easier to erase :p
<3> eleusis, right - which is why I *always* type tabs - but my editor *always* inserts four spaces ;-)
<1> set softtabs or something
<0> make your editor erase 4 spaces when you press backspace...
<1> ah
<2> not all editors give that possibility
<1> list comprehension
<1> i find it cool now :P
<4> what I do is when editing python I have my editor set so that tab is indent and backspace is dedent
<3> myouko, my editor (and by "my" editor I mean IDLE, Leo, SciTE and everything that uses Scintilla (SPE, Boa Constructor), Eric3, in fact every self-respecting editor) supports taht, too ;-)
<4> TFK: everything that uses kate also does it
<0> scintilla isn't bad
<0> but I like how vim allows you to delete a line with dd :)
<3> If you can't fight them, join them ;-)
<0> just that makes it worthwhile
<0> no other feature :)
<2> i'm using vim or komodo. very happy with both
<4> genia4_: in most of the editors you can use ctrl-k to wipe a line
<5> what's komodo? other than a dragon
<0> dd is more fun :)
<2> komodo is an IDE from activestate
<5> ah
<0> komodo is heavy
<0> because of XUL
<5> vim is all I need
<0> gvim is nicer at times
<5> with its python support, anything goes
<4> I like kdevelop3
<2> komodo is lightweight compared to eclipse
<2> cream is very nice
<4> myouko: oracle is lightweight compared to eclipse ;)
<3> genia4_, oh, and don't name your variables 'file' or any other built-in name.
<0> oh
<0> good idea :)
<0> for file in files makes sense though :(
<5> bah, the vim currently installed is compiled with -python :(
<2> can you really compare a database server with an IDE?
<6> I have 'Β' how to make it char via python?
<2> ah, now i see your point kosh :p
<1> no
<7> nkour: chr(914)
<2> everything is lightweight compared to eclipse :p
<1> myouko: what's the point?
<1> ...
<6> loufoque, thx
<3> loufoque, eh?
<2> *pats eleusis*
<6> TFK, loufoque, another solution?
<7> nkour: no it doesn't work
<6> ok hit me ;P
<1> woo, condescension
<3> Err, yeah. there's an htmlentities module somewhere.
<7> nkour: unichr(914)
<4> myouko: my point is that if you define eclipse as your standard just about everything in creation is lightweight
<7> nkour: that looks like some kind of B
<7>
<6> yea
<6> strange I can't just 'full of those'.decode('html')
<2> kosh, i understood that :)
<6> loufoque, or perhaps I can? as I have a full setence of them
<7> well you could replace them with a regex
<6> loufoque, ok I'll do that
<6> thanks
<4> myouko: kind of like when you define IE as your standard for security even tissue paper seems pretty tought stuff ;)
<2> haha
<8> how can i write the current day on the form "Thursday" with python?
<8> i would like to print the current day
<7> vali: http://www.python.org/doc/lib/module-datetime.html
<8> found it here http://docs.python.org/lib/module-time.html
<9> I'm p***ing a list to a 'def' and want to set it to [] there. But it seems to operate on a copy. Is it because the list is mutable? How would I p*** it "by reference" so it gets changed in place in the 'def'?
<10> def clear(x): del x[:]
<2> default arguments are only evaluated once
<4> ChrisH: can you paste the def line?
<3> ChrisH, ***ignment only affects the current scope.
<11> gang, ok
<12> anyone use pyvnc2swf? i'm getting an error that I don't understand.
<9> kosh: Sure... looks a bit like: http://pastebin.com/569054
<9> idj: That worked well. What's the difference between "del x[:]" and "x=[]" then? Do I accidentally create a new list?
<3> You can't p*** references to variables/names, like you can in C. So, >>> a = [42]; b = a; b = ["new"]; print a, b
<3> [42] ['new']
<3> It's not accidental at all.
<4> ChrisH: the problem in that example code is that when mylist = [] is run it just rebinds the name to a new value
<10> Chrish: what kosh says
<9> TFK: Ah. Okay. But isn't the list mutable and should be able to be changed? I understood if I created a new string since it's immutable. But lists?
<3> del x[:] changes the actual object pointed to by x.
<12> pyvnc2swf error: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/2981
<11> with a compiled regexes .group(n) - is there a way one can get back *all* instances of the group which matched?
<9> kosh: So I lose my reference... okay. Takes a bit getting used to.
<3> ChrisH, sure - but ***ignment is merely rebinding names/variables to other objects. x = ... rebinds x, but x.append(5) or del x[:] mutates the object pointed to be x.
<4> ChrisH: the problem is not mutable vs immutable the problem is in your understanding, in python variables are just names bound to object, whenever you do a = something you bind the name a to something
<11> (context: returning a list of all bootables in a grub.conf)
<4> ChrisH: so = is not really ***ignment it is name binding
<9> kosh: Yes, you are right. I was used to think perlishly where I p*** a variable by reference and never lose that reference. But of course...
<9> Thanks for the enlightenment. Sometimes you fall into old traps when you think the "everything is an object" paradigm is still hammered on your forehead. :)
<0> how do I convert a set to a list?
<9> genia4_: mylist = list(myset) ?
<4> list(someset)
<0> thanks
<3> But everything *is* an object :-O
<4> TFK: they are all objects however names for an object are not the same as an object
<4> ChrisH I mean
<9> TFK: I better don't tell that to my wife. :) Although she programs in Python, too.
<9> kosh: Similar to my closet... things are always there... it's just sometimes hard to find the reference.
<3> Heh... well, keywords aren't objects as well...
<13> how can I set/update a value of a dictionary?
<14> anyone use PIL that can help me out?
<4> somedict[key] = value
<2> mydict["mykey"] = myvalue
<10> ...mykey need not be a string...
<2> well, the key can be any type, not only string
<3> it can't be a list
<15> ['lol'] mhm i must remove ['']
<15> mhm
<13> myouko, double quotes required huh :-)
<16> guys, i've registered for PyCon, but i won't be able to attend, and i would like to offer my registration to anyone who would be willing to travel to dallas, tx on short notice.
<2> indigoblu, eh?
<17> Is it possible to plug a WSGI compliant webapp to a CGIServer ? Why isn't there a BaseWSGIHTTPServer or something along those lines ?
<0> how do I force python to check a script before trying to execute it?
<13> myouko, just noted that you must enclose key name in double quotes...
<15> ['lol'] mhm i must remove [''], who know how?
<2> indigoblu: i just tried with single quotes and that worked fine
<18> is there a way to switch all stringvars to utf-8 encoding?
<15> u'string'
<15> python -U
<13> myouko, wow okay, ... i was trying w/o qoutes for a bit, thanks :-)
<19> !java
<18> python -U ... hmm, but there's no python command for that??
<19> oops, sorry (split window mistake :))
<15> u'string'
<18> hm
<18> or to put it another way - is there an easy way to switch all strings in a dict to utf8?
<18> the framework i use uses "normal" strings all over the place and i don't want to fiddle in it's source - so i try to solve the problem on my end, in my code
<3> derelm, in what encoding are they now?
<20> http://www.geohive.com/charts/charts.php?xml=en_oilprod&xsl=en_res
<20> so
<20> woops
<18> i guess local - that is latin1, i think
<20> haha wrong channel sorry
<3> derelm, are you using anything outside the ASCII charset? (0-127)?
<18> well yes, german umlauts (i think these are somewhere > 127)
<3> Well, one way is to open these files in an editor and store the entire file in utf-8 encoding :-)
<3> there's also a way to tell python the file encoding, it's in a pep somewhere... lesse...
<18> wait
<3> http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html
<18> well i am retrieving my data from a database - so it's not really about umlauts i use in my python files or in files i open
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