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<0> pianoboy3333: are you using wxPython by any chance?
<1> I saved it as something else earlier...okay, it's reopened.
<2> ahmeni: no, why?
<3> will you be using multiple decks?
<1> For the game I'm going for, no.
<0> pianoboy3333: it's got it's own system tray thing, but it doesn't matter as you're not using it :)
<1> However, that might be a good thing for future use.
<4> but you might later, like if you make this into a server that hosts multiple games.
<1> ironfroggy: I'm out counting on that so fast.
<2> ahmeni: no, I'm planning on learning pygtk
<1> There aren't many Three Card Poker games as is on the web...so I might as well try to get something added, even if it's just text-based.
<1> Someone else can add the graphics.
<4> another reason i advocated not dealing with presentation at this level.
<1> Well, we have to make a Deck first.
<3> do we?
<4> deltab: i think so.
<0> graphics and networking aren't too hard, once you've got the basics down, pygame and Twisted aren't too hard (if and when you feel like it)
<3> the cards can be stored in a list
<3> and generated by a function
<4> deltab: the deck cl*** can also represent the concept of a Standard Playing Deck
<3> how would that concept be used?
<4> in which case it would be the logical place to create the necessary ranks and suits
<1> We haven't quite decided how to represent suits and ranks fully
<4> Wolfman2000: im suggesting you use the Deck cl*** for that
<3> Wolfman2000: an instance of Suit for each suit
<1> Let me rephrase.
<3> Wolfman2000: and an instance of Rank for each rank
<1> Do we use numbers for the suits and ranks, words, or something else?
<1> There are many choices available.
<4> Wolfman2000: sketch the Deck cl*** as you see it currently, and we'll work from there.
<4> Wolfman2000: none.
<3> Wolfman2000: no, instance of Suit and Rank
<4> Wolfman2000: they dont need any value. they can be distinguished by the identity of the Rank and Suit instances you will create.
<1> Let's see if I can get that step done.
<4> ok
<4> deltab: ive been wanting to write a tutorial. do you think this is a good source for it?
<3> the idea of representing cards is a popular one for tutorials
<1> Are double lists possible in Python, or must I go with Tuples here?
<3> they're complex enough to be interesting, but simple enough to be understood
<3> Wolfman2000: what do you mean by double lists?
<4> im going to include in it both the good ways to do things, and the wrong ways. to show "this is what you might think, but here is a more elegant solution". does that seem like a good thing, or pompous?
<1> in Java, an array is []. A 2-D array is [][]. I wonder if [][] works in Python...but I'm thinking [(x,y)] works better.
<5> does a function exist to get an int as a binary string?
<6> Wolfman2000, lists in lists
<4> that would work, but it worries me because i dont think you need that at all for a Deck cl***. proceed anyway. we'll see what you've got :-)
<3> Wolfman2000: python doesn't have any 2d structures built in
<1> Yep: Tuple it.
<3> Wolfman2000: what for?
<4> Stinger_: you can try struct
<4> deltab: lets let him write the Deck cl*** and see what he has.
<3> Stinger_: define what you mean by 'binary'
<1> Each card in the deckOfCards will be a tuple of suit and rank.
<4> besides, i want those rough versions for use in the tutorial.
<5> 9 -> '1001'
<4> Wolfman2000: thats what you have the Card cl*** for!
<3> Stinger_: no such function built-in, depsite the reverse being easily available
<5> hmm odd
<1> Update coming.
<1> It's up.
<3> ironfroggy: personally I'd start with strings and tuples until methods become useful
<1> Well, we'll figure this out one way or another.
<4> deltab: im advocating slight overengineer for the purposes of example.
<3> yeah, but Wolfman2000 is ignoring it
<1> ...whoops: forgot Object
<1> wait a second...drat: didn't save
<4> Wolfman2000: why arent you using the Card cl***? or the Rank cl***? or the Suit cl***?
<4> deltab: good. better the tutorial to be!
<1> ...wasn't quite sure how to get those in yet, stupidly enough.
<1> Card, I guess I should have figured out.
<7> Stinger_, looks like there is a recipe on Activestate
<4> let me make some changes..
<1> I just re-added (object) in there
<3> I suspect it is because they aren't useful concepts yet, being too abstracted from a concrete representation
<1> Perhaps comments should be added more liberally?
<1> I've heard different things on comments as well. Some say over comment, some say bad comments are worse than none, and I'm sure others say plenty more.
<3> Wolfman2000: do you know about for loops?
<1> I forgot how Python handled them.
<1> It was easier for me to use while's
<3> for x in ['A', 'B', 'C']:
<1> ...I don't exactly have an array setup here.
<1> I kind of start with an empty list.
<3> huh?
<3> for x in ['A', 'B', 'C']: print x
<1> ...let me try this again.
<1> I don't have a list to iterate over.
<3> x takes each of the values in the list in turn
<1> How can you do a for loop without such list to iterate over?
<3> ['A', 'B', 'C'] is a list
<1> ...okay, new example.
<3> so is ['C', 'H', 'S', 'D']
<4> see my update
<4> I showed how the Suits would work, but i left the Ranks (hey, more of those) for you to add in
<4> do you understand the techniques involved now and see how to apply it to the Ranks?
<1> I think so.
<4> ok add the ranks to that and we'll continue.
<3> I'd make named lists for the suits and ranks
<1> ...think I'd need names for 3 to 10? Ace is Ace, Two is Duece, but...shouldn't there be more unique names for the other cards besides their digit?
<3> suits = [spades, cluibs, hearts, diamonds]
<4> deltab: in which case you'd just wrongly rely on their order at some point.
<3> for suit in suits
<3> ironfroggy: okay, sets than
<4> deltab: ok
<4> Wolfman2000: rank2...rank10
<3> or two, three, four
<4> yes or that
<1> It's up: brb while I take some claritin
<4> druggy
<0> python is the best programming language for druggies
<1> back: the stupid pill had trouble getting out of its container.
<1> Now...I see where deltab's idea of a list would have helped: using three \s to break up the for loop is...messy, isn't it?
<4> look again
<4> I specifically made it a set, rather than a list, to emphasize that this level shouldnt care about any order to ranks or suits
<4> brb
<1> I'm not familiar with the set command.
<4> its a type not a command
<8> set is a new (2.3) datatype
<8> I just used them for the first time tongiht, actually
<4> its a container that collects unique, unordered objects
<1> I've updated my code base...I'd prefer staying in 80 lines.
<1> 80 characters*
<1> drat: missed a slash
<4> its hard to keep nice like that working in pastebin
<1> wait...the slash disappeared!
<1> ...alright, I'll break that suggestion for the purposes of this tutorial.
<4> so anyway. you can create a deck. now, what do you want to do with it next?
<3> the first comment is wrong, since the code there doesn't actually create a deck, just defines how to do it
<1> The original purpose was to make the deck.
<1> In any case...if this file is left alone, we've got ourselves a perfectly usable deck, am I right?
<3> only a defintion of how to make one
<4> more or less, but actually doing anything with the cards isnt fun yet.
<3> you have to call Deck() to get a deck
<1> So the first comment should be...
<4> deltab: makes a good point for clarity.
<1> #This file sets up how a 52 card deck will eventually be made.
<3> # A 52 card deck with no jokers
<3> hrm
<3> I don't know
<1> In any case...what to do with the deck...
<4> the module comment aside, what is the first thing you'll do with a deck?
<1> The first thing, besides making cards...drawing one.
<4> so you open a freshly bought deck of cards, draw the first one on the top of the brand new deck and start playing?
<1> ...freshly...well, if you wanted to play some freaky game, perhaps.
<1> Okay, you should shuffle first.
<4> so what will you write next to accomodate that?
<1> I'd think a def in the Deck method would be a good thing.
<4> i agree.
<1> Now, I'm sure there are many ways to actually shuffle here...but no matter what, will import random be required?
<4> yes. you'll use that random.shuffle mentioned earlier.
<1> Then...should self.cards be moved to the top of the cl***?
<1> I don't know if I can call self.cards if it was just in __init__.
<4> yes, you can.
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