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<0> so which db would u recommend
<1> you can see pretty much every widget in use, see the code, edit the code and see your changes dynamically
<2> good if there is gtk interface in windows
<2> but much to see
<0> i wanted to create a db, which can have my usernames and p***'s , i used anydbm, since its easy and i dont know SQL
<2> how it adapts to desktop etc ..
<0> i also used gadfly too, which would u recommend?
<0> gadfly or anydbm?
<3> aha!
<4> Turns out I had 400 MB laying around that disappeared with apt-get clean.
<5> *tries apt-get clean*
<4> Considering I only just installed the system four days ago...
<5> Whoa.
<5> What distribution?
<4> Ubuntu 5.10
<4> But, I guess the beginning is where I install the most
<5> I have Xubuntu - installed XFCE couple of days back.
<4> I've actually never tried XFCE
<5> You should...
<4> Only KDE (eww) and Gnome
<5> It's like KDE, but less...In your face
<4> My main complaint over KDE was that it was... SLOW
<6> I have issues with Gnome
<5> Yeah, KDE's beefy
<6> such as its use of Gtk+, which is a huge pain in the *** to work with
<6> and its ***umption that all users are idiots so should have no options
<7> heviLUT, could be worse, could be better (in fitting to desktop), looks are pretty good, especially in winxp, but the "feel" of something is pretty hard to do with a foreign toolkit, and for example gtk file selector immediately strikes on as NOT WINDOWS
<4> Haven't experienced any problems with Gnome myself
<5> Yeah, but it treats the idiots nicely..
<7> heviLUT, http://gtk-wimp.sourceforge.net/screenshots/
<6> jimmey_: that's like saying an asylum treats its patients nicely. No matter how they're treated, they're still considered insane
<5> Well, I meant...
<5> It's a better introduction to Linux for ex-Windows uers.
<2> Juhaz: ok, it atleast partially adapts
<6> I guess
<6> I prefer KDE because it's easier to code for, the applications are nicer to work with, and the themes available are much nicer
<4> I find Gnome easier to code for
<5> I've never _really_ tried KDE, I really think I should
<5> Are you guys talking GUI wise?
<8> you definitely should
<4> I ran Mandriva with KDE for a few months, then Fedora also with KDE, and now I'm running Ubuntu with Gnome (and have done for a year or so)
<8> especially if you think about developing some desktop environment
<8> kde is perfect example of how *not* to do it
<8> ;]
<2> what we need is http://hetland.org/python/anygui.php back :)
<6> lde: so is GNOME, and Windows, and OSX, ...
<4> Good point ;D
<7> I really don't think I'm being treated as an idiot just because someone chose a sane default behavior instead of trowing billions of preferences at me
<7> not everyone wants to spend all their time customizing their desktop
<4> I barely customized anythin
<8> chmeee: yes, but they're not so big
<4> anything*
<6> veracon_: GNOME is as big as KDE
<4> Did I say it was smaller? :o
<5> So you stay KDE vs Gnome neutral, and choose XFCE
<6> erm, meant that for lde
<4> oh
<6> sorry
<8> isn't it?
<9> I highly recommendd Ion, but it's *very* much a niche desktop
<4> I just changed my wallpaper to a simpler one and installed Clearlooks 2, that's all I needed
<8> i'm not sure, i don't use them much
<5> Ion?
<6> lde: both KDE and GNOME are very heavy
<6> I was turned off of GNOME at version 1.2
<5> Openbox and fluxbox rule for that kind of thing
<6> and the last time I used it, with 2.10, it was even worse, just didn't crash as much
<9> jimmey_, it's a minimalist "tiled" window manager
<2> biggest gripe with gnome HIG is instant update, no save and no apply functions
<6> heviLUT: I like that. I wish that happened with KDE
<2> ideal world that might work, but ..
<2> programs crashed and modifications made are lost
<6> biggest gripe with both KDE and GNOME is they use "ok" "cancel" instead of actual meaningful button labels
<2> that's about all interfaces :)
<7> when did you last try GNOME? they've been moving away from "ok" and "cancel" from quite a while now
<6> briefly about 8 months ago
<6> I couldn't stand the interface
<6> I like the menubar at the top, but I want it to apply to ALL applications, not just the desktop
<6> and KDE gives me that
<10> chmee: and those wonderful EvilOS messages? Do you want to reboot later? [ No ] [ Reboot now ]
<6> KDE also gives me a development environment that doesn't use 80 macros to do 1 thing
<7> there are still some cancel buttons around in 2.14 where they fit, but _very_ few OK's
<2> chmeee: how about this http://www.rha.com/BeatTheUserAgain.jpg ? :)
<6> the only UI I really like is the MacOS GUI
<2> and more on http://www.rha.com/ui_hall_of_shame.htm
<11> is mod_python thread-safe?
<6> heviLUT: yeah, I've seen those
<4> I don't know why, but I can't stand Mac OS' UI
<4> It's probably because everyone else likes it
<2> mac os ui is made for finger challenged people
<4> How so?
<2> usually the are 5 fingers in hand
<2> and mac os is desinged to use only one in mouse
<12> if i accidently wrote "rm *.py" instead of "rm *.pyc".. is there anything i can do to get py files back from pyc files?
<7> python version?
<7> there's decompyle, but it only works for <=2.3
<12> 2.3, thanks, i'll look for it
<10> i'll write a PEP to rename .pyc files to .zyc to avoid allefant's problem
<12> Yango: yes, that would have saved me I guess
<12> the reason i wanted to delete the *.pyc files was so i could do an svn import, so I'd have a backup o_O
<10> ouch
<4> I really should take the time to learn using svn
<13> ?>unicode@
<12> i still have a 2 weeks old backup.. and with the decompyle stuff maybe can restore it all
<14> GNOME rocks, KDE ****s.
<14> therefore use GTK, not Qt.
<4> loufoque, true
<6> loufoque: you actually like Gtk+?
<9> allefant, you should add *.pyc to the ignore section of your svn config
<14> chmeee: you don't ?
<6> I find the only way to use it is with glade
<7> chmeee, _py_gtk is nice, just because the C version is pain in the *** doesn't mean the language bindings must be
<4> Poll: Should I learn svn? :/
<15> GTK + C = pain, much pain
<14> coding GUIs in C is a very bad idea
<6> I hate C++ almost as much as I hate LISP. But Gtk+ is so horrible, I use Qt and C++ for GUIs
<3> ok, so when I fork and exec from inside a child thread, I end up with my child process having all of its signals blocked. is there any way to avoid this?
<14> chmeee: GTK has a very good C++ wrapper called GTKmm
<6> I tried that, was less than impressed
<13> veracon_, is that your source control system of choice?
<15> I dislike the absurd QT license price for commercial stuff
<6> Qt is much nicer
<6> JoaoJoao: I don't do any commercial work, except at my job, which is kernel-level programming, so no GUIs
<12> ohh, i think i found what i can do. decompyle my backup's pyc files as well, then do a diff.. so i see what changed
<4> TFK, my host doesn't support CVS
<9> yes, veracon_ everyone should use some sort of revision control system, and svn is the defacto standard today
<14> Qt and wxwidgets aren't very good from a C++ point of view, as they were done before the C++ standard and don't use all its features where they should have
<6> but they're good from a developer point of view, who just wants to get the job done
<4> Okay, I'll give it a shot
<4> svnbook.red-bean.com -- any good?
<13> benji, I thought CVS was?
<11> veracon_: definately
<11> veracon_: one of the best documentation books ever
<4> Sounds great
<4> SVN 1.2.1 -- ancient or decent?
<9> depends TFK, almost all new projects that I see nowadays start with SVN instead of CVS, of course there are *lots* of people still using CVS, but mostly because they started before SVN was mature
<16> hi
<9> hi jers
<17> veracon_: I think it's ok, not much new in 1.3
<4> good
<4> I only have 1.2.0 locally, but I'm not expecting to run it locally, either way
<16> Does anyone familiar with the C python API know a good source of information on PyParser_* or do i have to dig in python src ? :)
<18> What is it you want to do?
<19> veracon_: best docs I know
<4> Ok, I'll try it then :)
<20> hi, who remembers how to limit "maximum recursion depth exceeded" ??
<16> Erwin run multiple time a python function from c/c++ code
<18> jers: You don't need any parsing API then.
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