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<0> Because I love it - and love is blind
<1> they are too ignorant to understand the depth of the issues they are protesting
<1> lispy: yes, ptown
<2> i had a professor that said everything is an argument...in fact that was the name of our text book
<2> she said that the clothes you wear are an argument
<1> is an expression same thing as an argument?
<3> what is wrong with "if tokens[0].split() in keys" ?
<4> vininim: it's missing the terminating :
<3> thanks
<2> i think an expression can be an argument, foo(2*2), but an argument doesn't have too be an expression? ;)
<1> ... deep
<2> i wonder why ext is missing...
<4> lispy: it's not part of the standard library.
<2> then here do you find it? i was trying to google it but not having much luck
<4> lispy: it's part of PyXML.
<4> or the 'python-xml' package, if you use debian.
<2> i wish i used debian but this is at work :( thanks, i'll get pyxml
<1> hmm, I dont have .ext either
<1> lispy: do you have xml.dom?
<2> agilman: yeah apparently that much comes with python
<2> does anyone know what elements like these are called? <? foo ?>
<5> lispy: processing directives
<2> thanks
<2> so why doesn't lxml preserve them? :)
<6> j #asterisk
<6> oops
<7> newbie problem...outputting the variable row with "print row" .. gives me "{'tables_in_biasva': 'pilots'}" .. how do i access the "pilots" bit without doing "row['tables_in_biasva'".. tried row[1] ? any ideas if its possible ?
<8> row[0] ?
<9> for key, value in row: print row
<9> whoops
<9> for key, value in row: print value
<9> or row.values()[0] if there's only one
<10> uh
<7> joe_k: lovely ta.. row.values()[0] is what I wanted... strange syntax me trying to get used to !
<9> whoops i guess you can't do k,v in d.... iterator on dict is just keys
<11> d.items()
<9> yeah
<9> i think the iterator should return k,v pairs... i mean why not
<11> that's a good question
<12> MIT is creating a 100 million army of python programmers
<13> p_masho: row.values() creates a list of all values, row.values()[0] then simply is the first element of that list.
<12> http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php/OLPC_Python_Environment
<13> p_masho: why don't you like row['tables_in_biasva']? it says exactly which element from row you want. row.values()[0] could be any in row. and i mean any. e.g for row={"a2":0,"b2":1,"a1":2,"b1":3, row.values()[0] == 2
<13> ups, there is a '}' missing after :3
<7> ChrisLong: Normally yes... but in this instance I specifically want row[0] as the "tables_in_?" will change .. length will always be the same...
<13> p_masho: ok, then ignore what i said :)
<7> ChrisLong: thanks for the advice though .. its helpful .. to a newbie :-)
<14> hello there
<14> is there a python compiler?
<14> and gettext support?
<13> g***: gettext: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-gettext.html
<8> g***: there is not yet a python compiler, but there is way to make independant bundle with integrated interpretor
<14> ChrisLong: thanks
<14> marmoute: my point is to make applications that cannot be copied easely
<8> python byte code is maybe easier to reverse than binary-code but not than much
<14> i am putting python at the same level than java
<14> as language to use in an application
<3> at the same level? pfff.. python > java ;)
<14> vininim: if it does not compile ... it is not ...
<14> java is bad on speed
<13> vininim: '>' as in 'more difficult'? ;)
<8> g***: depend of how you evaluate this level
<8> ChrisLong: hihi python more difficult than java ;-)
<14> python it seems easy to learn
<14> as i saw
<15> I don't think I get it
<15> I can't use jave if I don't install it right?
<15> I mean I can get byte code that runs if a jvm is present
<14> redir: true
<15> How is that different than either installing python or packaging tthe required bits?
<15> I have distributed numerous exes do windows users without a hitch
<14> redir: my target is linux
<15> If they use an OS python usually comes installed
<14> redir: but i need compiled source
<15> look at journyx
<16> g***: proprietary?
<17> If I'm going to start GUI programming with python, which wm would you guys say would be the easiest?
<14> kbrooks: yes
<13> g***: the distrinbute the .pyc files
<15> they distribute their product as pyc files
<16> ChrisLong: those files can be decompyled (no, i didnt typo)
<14> ChrisLong: redir : true, they are binary
<15> there are plenty of java decomps too
<13> kbrooks: i know. but it's copmpiled
<18> im trying to write an A.I. algo
<16> g***: i'd rather you distribute a freezed binary
<15> someone with the notion will do it
<18> i'm having a headache
<15> read the MS EULA and incrporate really draconian punishments for decompiling
<14> kbrooks: how ... i am new to the language, can you please make me see the light?
<16> freeone3000: theres no specific wm to program for
<16> g***: use cx_Freeze on linux, and py2exe on Windows
<15> g*** what kbrooks said
<16> freeone3000: there are toolkits
<17> kbrooks: So I don't have to worry bout the QT/GTK/TCL thing?
<14> apt-cache search python compiler -> decompyle - a Python byte-code decompiler
<8> freeone3000: you have
<14> redir: kbrooks thanks
<9> java has nice obfuscators
<16> freeone3000: i didn't say "there is a specific wm to program for"
<16> freeone3000: you misread
<8> freeone3000: there is Tkinter, pygtk pyQt wxPython ;-)
<17> ...Which do you guys like?
<16> freeone3000: subjective. try pygtk, pyqt and wxpython and tkinter
<16> def attempt(*toolkits):
<8> freeone3000: personnaly I did wxPython because it's very well portable an integrate expecialy for OsX
<17> Mmkay.
<16> for toolkit in toolkits:
<16> res = toolkit()
<16> if res: return toolkit
<16> return False
<16> freeone3000: ^ actual python code that shows what you should do. try each toolkit. if you like it, use that
<13> kbrooks: better use yield toolkit. otherwise only the first gets used :)
<19> for toolkit in toolkits: toolkit.complainAboutAbysmalAPI()
<16> ChrisLong: that's what it's supposed to do
<16> personally ...
<16> def pygtk(): return True
<16> def pyqt(): return False
<16> def wxpython(): return False
<13> kbrooks: oh, i misunderstood the code
<8> boo
<8> ;-)
<15> *scared*
<16> def tkinter(): return False
<20> Dude, don't do that.
<20> Freaked me out.
<16> zxsykco: don't do... what? context please
<8> zxsykco: mee ?
<16> i wonder if there is something that wraps re module:
<16> from rewrapper import *
<9> how does re need wrapping?
<16> re = regexp()
<16> re = str(words(zero_or_more))
<14> kbrooks: i can also compile with compileall, right?
<16> re # "\w*"
<16> joe_k: ^ that
<15> re wraps sre, no
<15> >
<16> redir: look above
<18> is there any way to use // for comments ?
<9> you want an alternate re syntax based on composing python functions?
<18> i hate using # :(
<16> no.
<18> it reminds me bad things about C
<9> what is words() supposed to do?
<16> joe_k: cl*** instances, not functions
<13> HellDragon: only when you write a preprocessor
<9> why not write a parser kbrooks
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