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<0> nah... may as well be though
<0> age-old nick... from when i was an angsty teen
<1> hehe
<2> could be some att service you subscribe to.
<0> i live in the upper penninsula...
<1> pur-angst, angst in Dutch means, scared, afraid
<0> BlackNet: wouldn't surprise me... i was hired in 6 months ago since the last unix admin killed himself...
<0> macOnki: aye
<2> ouch
<2> killed himself?
<3> Must have been using Mandrake.
<0> BlackNet: i wish he hadn't killed himself... i fantasize about killing him, often... which is not to say i am the best unix admin in the world, but i feel i am at least better than he was.
<0> rob0: lmfao
<2> pur-angst well just because your still alive means you are :)
<0> BlackNet: good point...
<2> suicide is a cop-out for the most part
<1> there is no reason to kill yourself for using unix :-)
<0> he was running some horrible qmail install on rooted solaris machines.
<3> Death rarely enhances one's skill level, although in some cases it might make others think it was greater than it was.
<2> qmail on rooted solaris machines? yea i can see why he killed himself now
<3> indeed
<3> Makes one want to take DJB with one, as well. :)
<0> BlackNet: oh, it's better... they were sun ultra5s...
<0> BlackNet: 256mb of memory
<1> djb should be playing with the scottisch pole throughers
<0> being used as servers.
<2> i know alot of depressed people and often that subject comes up from time to time. very interesting how it all plays out
<0> i found his last email to his wife... it was kind of creepy.
<3> At least DJB is out of the MTA software world.
<1> he should be :-0
<3> Oh how awful!
<2> seen some of his config stuff and tried to look at the logic only to give up and feel better about what i do use
<0> rob0: horrible because it's unethical, or...?
<2> like that bastard author of grsecurity
<3> well no, it's not unethical, just a horrible thing to have to do.
<0> ah
<3> We had a user die not long back.
<0> ooh, fun
<2> what happened?
<3> But not suicide, and no one had to go picking through the mailbox.
<3> At least not me. :)
<0> ok... i removed all the queued MAILER-DAEMON messages, and mailq is staying fairly empty now
<2> did you postcat the msgs?
<3> Rejecting unknown users now?
<0> rob0: must be...
<2> gotta love postsuper -d ALL :)
<0> BlackNet: 'mailq | grep MAILER | awk '{ print $1 }
<0> ' | tr -d '*!' | postsuper -d -
<2> naa postsuper does the job :) easier to type
<2> -d ALL all you need
<0> heh
<0> what about valid mail in my queues?
<3> unless there was a legitimate bounce in there
<3> or other queued mail I mean
<2> contradiction in terms :) legitimate and bounce
<3> well it is possible.
<2> yea
<0> BlackNet: didn't see anything else horrible in my config, did you?>
<2> didn't but someone else here may
<0> http://pastebin.com/622544
<2> not using mysql?
<1> can bounces be legitimate?
<0> BlackNet: nah... i didn't know pgsql, so... i decided to learn the differences, etc... i rather like postgres over mysql, now
<2> you have the 4 day timeout thing, that would generate a bounce
<1> that is not a bounce afaik
<1> just a temp reject
<3> If your own user mistypes an address, a bounce should be returned.
<2> Mutt: virusmails [Msgs:10888
<0> rob0: how would i manage that?
<3> pur-angst: line 84, is MAPS public? Line 85-87 superfluous lookups.
<1> rob0, could you give an example?
<0> rob0: blackholes.mail-abuse.org ...?
<1> rob0, do you refer to a situation where a local user whould type a tld that does not exist?
<3> If I send to someone@hootmail.com yes.
<3> or mistype the username, same thing.
<0> rob0: and how do you manage that?
<3> The user gets a bounce.
<0> rob0: in configuration, how do you do that?
<1> a username could wind up in a spamtrap, or any other idiot catchall tld
<3> It's the default. Mail only goes to Dave Null if someone routes it to him.
<2> also local auth'd users get a reject msg on header/body checks
<1> rob0, the sending mta does not have to handle that afaik, the user will get a 5xx or 4xx from the receiving party
<1> but I could be wrong :-)
<3> The sending MTA (SMTP client) gets the 4xx/5xx from the receiving MX, and generates the bounce for the user.
<1> ah, a local bounce
<3> Not necessarily. Suppose you've set up to send as a user@$FREEMAIL in your MUA.
<1> yeah, I did see the docs on allowed senders
<1> but is that a bounce like qmail does by default?
<3> no! qmail does "backscatter", accepts all spam and bounces for nonexisting users.
<1> true, like the old ms exchange does
<2> oh god, i hate exchange with a p***ion
<0> me too
<1> it is sick, solutions like Plesk are using qmail, they are not allowed to distrubute patched versions of qmail I have been told
<2> install a sp or update and all your config's revert to open relay default
<0> we use it internally, and instead of allowing me to send messages from some accounts to it, they use a pop3 injector.
<1> Plesk systems are hosting thousands of domains
<3> In absolute numbers of messages handled, I suspect qmail has fallen to a distant third place in the Unix MTA field. But I have no hard facts about that.
<1> that might be true yes
<2> if it was warmer i would be outside working
<0> i hear that
<2> have several knives i need to be working on
<0> BlackNet THE Spam******in
<2> :)
<0> ****. my postfix is still accepting mail for unknown users.
<0> 7B44C79EB4* 46744 Sat Mar 25 20:50:38 gmkfgkg@ezgui.com
<0> a.kakhu@bmic.net
<0> a.kakhu is no a valid user... and it's sitting in my active queue... wtf...
<0> any ideas?
<3> postmap (the -q option) can help debug your maps.
<0> rob0: danke
<1> just forward unknow users to a spamtrap :-)
<0> macOnki: alias @domain to spamtrap or something?
<1> something like that
<1> and use the top N entries to block more spam
<0> heh
<0> i'd like to reject them though, or spamtrap them without scanning them, since my scanning is fairly resource intensiver
<0> -r
<0> load avg is at 12
<1> ITC
<0> rob0: 'postmap -q a.cano@bmic.net pgsql:/etc/postfix/virtual/virtual.cf' returns nothing...
<0> rob0: it's not able to find anywhere to deliver the messages to, but it doesn't reject those... what am i missing?
<3> <a.kakhu@bmic.net>: host mail.bmic.net[209.37.136.16] said: 550 <a.kakhu@bmic.net>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table (in reply to RCPT TO command)
<3> IOW, exactly what it should be doing.
<0> rob0: yeah... so... why is it accepting/getting into my delivery queue
<0> unless... they're coming from a machine on my netowrk...
<3> did it come from $mynetworks or from a permit_sasl_authenticated user?
<3> right
<0> rob0: not sure... grepping mail.log for that message id shows very little
<1> use some virus scanners :-)
<3> What does postcat show in Received: headers?
<0> macOnki: not /my/ networks... we're a small ISP.
<1> pur-angst, any ms host could be affected, as like any stupid php hoster
<0> yeah
<1> or perl, or c, or python, or plone
<1> etc....
<0> i figured it out
<0> i have '@baymills.org @bmic.net' in my aliases... because we're switching our mail system...
<0> so... blah@baymills.org will go through... because postfix doesn't look up what that translates to, like i would have hoped.
<0> is there a way that i can get @baymills.org > @bmic.net without opening myself to this?
<1> @foo should be expected to accept A-Za-z_-+ (out of the blue, check the rfc)
<0> guess i have to make a script to add 1000+ aliases...
<1> a little .forward would solve your problem I thing
<0> macOnki: global .forward?
<1> or a virtual listing, @foo bla
<3> The right way to do it is to list all your @baymills.org addresses too.
<1> a global forward will help yes
<0> rob0: old system john@baymills.org and john@bmic.net were the same user... new system, i don't want it to be sloppy like that, so i put the global aliases in just for quick and dirty... since we're not sure yet who is on what domoain because the records at this place are next to non-existant.
<1> if the addresses are all in a ldap repos then just add a shebang and write a script
<0> macOnki: nope... just in a postgres db... which is also fairly easy to write a script for.
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