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<0> but it still happens
<0> that they know they're not supposed to get more energy out than they put in
<0> but they are
<1> i find anything published with scientists say in the title is not worth reading
<0> it was on the news!
<0> :)
<2> I have but so far nothing to tell
<0> it's said that it has to produce energy for 10 years to prove it works
<0> why is that?
<2> idiot said that
<1> DevElara: the news knows **** all about science
<2> if it runs for 5 mins without discernable energyloss then it works
<2> it will be obvious if we get the chance
<0> i'll get a link
<2> I've seen it
<0> why is it often claimed by scientists that they've created one?
<1> i'll get a link about thermodynamics
<0> DanF_DrC: so does it work?
<2> I meant the link
<1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics DevElara, read this and it will hopefully show you why this _cant_ work
<2> DevElara, probably because they have made it work
<0> i bet it's long
<2> Hotwire is an idiot for relying on known theory
<0> :)
<0> DanF_DrC: but Hotwire just said it can't work
<2> yes
<0> i see
<1> DanF_DrC: what am else can i do without being abe to study the machine, you idiot
<0> hey there's no need for name calling
<2> be open to the possibility of course
<2> yes ther is
<2> there
<0> i got tha
<0> that
<0> :)
<2> Lord Kelvin is quoted as saying that heavier than air flight is impossible. history is jam packed with idiots saying things are impossible without the slightest reason behind it
<1> DanF_DrC: when i see peer reviewed papers in respectable journals i will start to question
<2> because you are an idiot
<1> DanF_DrC: thermodynamics has lots of reasoning behind it
<0> look
<0> http://www.steorn.net/frontpage/default.aspx?p=1
<2> hardly. local conclusions and perceived as religious dogma to those without vision
<1> DanF_DrC: i'm an idiot because i wont start questioning well grounded scientific work on the basis of what someone says on a irc room
<2> DevElara, I've seen it
<1> DanF_DrC: i think that shows us you is really the idiot
<0> Hotwire: LOOK http://www.steorn.net/frontpage/default.aspx?p=1
<0> "you is really the idiot"
<0> well said hotwire
<0> :P
<0> you go in the books for that one!
<2> he knows about the link. problem is an obtuse mind
<2> and he is hardly alone
<0> DanF_DrC: do you think it works?
<2> leaning towards yes
<0> i see
<1> that link doesn't give any infomation about how this machine is supposed to work, or publish any results at all
<1> what is to supposed to be showing me?
<2> so far we don't have any specific information about the device. we only have an established company's claim
<1> "we have made a free energy machine guys" "look how cool we are"
<1> thats what this site seem like to me
<2> how old are you Hotwire?
<1> 20
<2> k
<1> DanF_DrC: why do you think these claims could be true with no evidence at all, when you are so quick to refute theories with uncountable amounts of evidence?
<0> lol
<0> why does his age matter?
<2> in a world where head of FBI can blatantly protect the mafia for 48 years and his name still adorns their buildings then things are not as simple as you are being told
<0> "What we've developed is a way to construct magnetic fields, that when you travel around a magnetic field starting and stopping at the same position, you've gained energy. The energy isn't being converted from any other source such as the energy within the magnet, it's literally created."
<2> DevElara, his age indicates the time of adulthood in which he could be exposed to truth beyond the naive impression we get as children
<1> DanF_DrC: what does that have to do with this machine?
<0> i see
<2> Hotwire, it shows a world in which systematic supression of free energy devices for 100 years is not impossible
<1> DevElara: that is hardly a worthwhile explanation, they might as well of written "we made this cool machine type thing that makes energy!!!!!!1111 OMG how uber c00l are we"
<1> DanF_DrC: you sounds more and more crazy the more you talk
<1> DanF_DrC: you haven't offered any explanation to how this may work, or why you would believe these people when they offer no explanation or evidence
<0> it works with magnets
<1> DevElara: that isn't an explanation
<0> they bounce magnets off each other
<1> nor is that
<0> you obviously haven't ever seen a trick with magnet under a table
<0> i don't know how it works
<0> if i did i would have invented it
<1> that isn't creating energy
<0> Hotwire: i don't know what to do with you
<0> you lack the experience to make a good conclusion
<1> DevElara: once i see some _real_ evidence to support any of their claims i will start to question real science
<0> there's no talking to you
<0> you need to open your mind
<1> DevElara: no, you need to think before you jump on stupid bandwagons
<0> you know when germs were discovered everyone couldn't believe it
<0> you are like one of those people
<1> DevElara: that isn't at all like this
<0> sure it is
<0> it is exactlty like this
<0> open your mind
<0> let yourself go
<1> you are a fool, and it wont be long until the real scientific community gets there hands on this machine and tells everyone its full of ****
<2> don't waste your time on him DevElara
<1> if someone had made such a machine do you really think they'd put it on the internet? of course not they would publish a paper
<1> like any real scientist
<0> hotwire
<1> DevElara:
<0> when it is proven you will have egg all over your face
<0> and you shall be laughed at and shouted at by p***ersby
<0> "i told you so"
<1> yes i would if it was proven, but it wont be
<1> you _cannot_ create energy
<0> you know
<1> yes i do
<0> people used to think there were only 4 elements
<0> you are like one of those people
<0> open your mind
<0> :)
<1> OMG people didn't know **** all once, and didn't have any valid scientific methods
<0> yes
<0> you are like them
<1> come on, please stop being so short sighted
<0> there's no need for that kind of language
<0> Hotwire: so everything there is to know about physics is already known is it?
<1> no
<0> in which case, whatever are we doing this for?
<1> but we do know lots of stuff
<0> so you concede that it's possible things will change
<0> ?
<0> no know people used to think that there was no such thing as the sub atomic
<1> DevElara: some yes yes, not _really_ basic stuff like magically creating energy from nowhere
<0> and that an atom is the smallest matter can get
<1> DevElara: what the hell does it matter what people said years ago
<0> because you are like those people
<1> no
<0> don't you understand?
<0> black is white and white is black
<1> you are like the 10000000000s of nutters you go around chatting complete crap without anysort of basis
<1> if you had anysort of proof of this then maybe thing would be different
<0> i don't have proof
<0> but i don't totally believe there can't be any!
<1> but your whole argument has been based on, once upon a time people said this wasn't true and then it was
<1> DevElara: maybe thats because you dont understand any physics, come back when you do
<0> i do understand physics
<1> you clearly dont
<0> here
<0> have a look for yourself
<0> http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=WO2006035419&F=0&QPN=WO2006035419
<0> well?
<1> i see an abstract and 13 blank pages
<2> don't waste your time on him DevElara
<2> only he can choose to be open to possibilities
<1> only you guys and choose to be ****ing crazy
<0> three electric fields alternating to drive a turbine. Energy needed to operate electric fields is less than that that is yielded... why not.
<1> i'm just glad that i have to live anywhere near you
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