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<0> Well, interesting to me at least
<1> bah, it bothers me that we don't really know anything about the universe
<0> I would do science a favor if I left the theoretical work to my betters :)
<2> I'll bite this one last time for today. how does it predict gravity?
<0> yeah, me too
<0> DanF_DrC: Oh man, I'm not sure my wrists are up to the challenge
<2> not asking you to stroke your meat. use the nugget instead :)
<0> well, first all this is stuff I've never felt comfortable with....I think we already discussed my ignorance of QFT et al :)
<2> ok so you've been told that it does
<0> About 3/4 of it
<0> The explanations make sense, and it's ordered in my head
<0> The problem is, this is the kind of thing I was explained to in metaphor, and I'm not good at throwing that back :)
<0> plus, we've been debating or something like that for hours
<0> oh, and you hate when I use math to answer questions :)
<2> and you know why :)
<2> let's call it a day
<0> good show
<0> ask me another time and hopefully I'll be prepared not to say 'well, because this here book says so'
<2> power of choice will be enough I think
<2> if you want to communicate better
<2> part of it is realizing when you actually don't know
<2> Hawking has said that ST is basically one big circle jerk. not in so many words
<0> I suppose. I really don't have a problem saying "I dunno"
<2> tough room :)
<0> That's the answer to a lot of questions :) ST predicts gravity, one of the first things that got it additional attention....the reason in a super exact way is beyond me, because these are things I don't study, just find interesting
<0> But, smarter people than I such as mwc have a great ability to explain things with metaphor, and while it's fuzzy in my head I know when I get it all back together there's a pretty good explaination that doesn't require a whole lot of expertise in QFT
<2> vision is a great start
<0> start to what, remembering exactly how it all works?
<2> thinking that it can be done
<0> Because to be honest with you, I have trouble remembering basic E&M :-)
<0> I'm not following...that what can be done?
<2> that it can be clear in mind and wording
<0> Still not sure what you're trying to say
<2> never mind
<0> okay, sorry
<0> I'm not even sure if you're being unclear or if I'm being dense :)
<2> it was not a quib (spelled right?) just no reason to beat it to death. just meant it's good you want to be better at communicating. that's all it takes mostly. the will
<0> hrm, quib IS a word. Never heard it before :)
<2> similarly that's all it takes to handle the ufo situation. will for truth
<0> I wasn't taking it in a negative way, just had no idea what you were saying
<3> evening
<0> I'm going to just have to say you accept the whole ufo thing on a lot less proof than I find acceptable
<2> iirc quib is sort of a terse response
<0> But, it'd be nice if you stopped attributing it to willfull ignorance or cowardice rather than just the way I think
<2> I understand your position
<0> Quib: A quip, a gibe
<0> good ol' dict :)
<0> Afterall, I don't insult you for having a different opinion
<2> if you are wrong and I know it am I insulting you
<0> It's not possible that you are wrong?
<2> that's not what I asked
<0> Yes, because you're saying that I'm wrong because of mental cowardice and willfull ignorance
<0> Were those that doubted relativity willfully ignorant? No, they were just wrong
<2> I don't mean consciously willfull
<2> willful?
<0> I think two ls
<0> nope :)
<2> I think not :)
<0> I don't even say that you're wrong, just that I require more evidence
<2> that part is well known. I meant about the insult. I mean no offense but choose truth over sensitivities
<0> truth is a strong word
<2> it's not a conscious thing. and I do it too. just a matter of at what level
<2> indeed it is
<2> indestructible even
<3> hello
<3> whats up today?
<0> Hi uV, jsut debating nothing :)
<0> By saying that whole cowardice thing, you're saying that I'm capable of looking at the evidence you have presented and that I have found on my own..
<0> and coming up with both your conclusion and the one I hold
<0> THEN, I chose the one I hold not because I believe it, but because I'm afraid to accept yours
<0> That's just not true
<2> subconscious remember
<0> I have my belief for the same reason you do: because when you sit and think about it, any other conclusion seems incorrect
<0> You should remember who I am :)
<2> where does mistake fit in then?
<0> In the interpretation. One of us is wrong
<2> are you insulting me?
<0> No
<2> :)
<2> one of us is wrong. at least
<0> Indeed
<0> Now, if I'm wrong and aliens park next door I'll be the first to say "Whoops"
<0> But here's the tricky part, it's possible to show that I'm wrong, aliens just have to show up
<2> yeah
<0> However, it's impossible to show that you're wrong....so it's not testable
<2> and global warming is real when the ocean is 80meters higher
<2> enough
<0> indeed, it's eatin' time :p
<0> that was such an incredibly pointless discussion :)
<4> my god has the indepth discussion finaly stoped?
<0> ...for now
<4> *phew*
<0> It's a fun way to improve debating skills, debating nothing :-)
<4> lols
<0> Important skill for a troll :)
<5> hi there
<4> hey
<6> Manyfold: yo
<5> are you a clone of JohnFlux2?
<5> eh i mean JohnFlux
<5> JohnFlux2: is your ph.d. thesis available online?
<6> Manyfold: i haven't written any of it yet :/
<5> i have given F=dA + A /\ A where A is the connection on a G-bundle over 4-dimensional spacetime. i don't see why A /\ A isn't equal 0
<5> JohnFlux2: you said you earned a ph.d. in compsci
<6> Manyfold: I did? I have a degree in compsci
<6> Manyfold: i'm doing a phd in engineering
<5> B.Sc. or M.Sc.?
<6> B.Sc
<5> no one wants to help me ? :(
<4> no can do here
<4> i'm off to get pissed
<5> why pissed?
<2> british for drunk
<4> :d
<7> hondje
<4> night night guys!
<5> good night
<2> gnight
<2> http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1
<8> That's pretty awesome, DanF_DrC.
<9> If I fill a gl*** with cold water and leaving it sitting for a few hours, little bubbles will form inside the water on the inner surface of the gl***. Why is this?
<10> hburchey: i would think that the water in the pipes is under pressure, so any disolved gas in the water that was in equalibrium in the pipes will no longer be in equilibrium when it is sitting in a gl***.
<3> morning ////Jreggelt!
<11> hi there
<11> it hase been long quite day
<12> hello
<12> oh, he is gone :P
<13> hey Hotwire
<12> hey kanzure
<12> up early?
<13> nah, just have some time this morning
<12> fair play
<12> i'm writing essays at the moment
<13> yeah?
<13> see, this school got "smart", sort of
<12> hehe
<13> they force the different departments to put tests on different days, which is quite good
<13> except when you have three science-department cl***es heh'
<12> hehe
<12> <3 dealing with one department
<13> mm
<2> http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/mechanical-resonance-the-tesla-motors-press-intro-complete-with-governator-188590.php
<14> just read the topic
<14> but i'm still going to ask
<14> have any of you been following the perpetual motion machine in ireland?
<14> it was announced last week
<12> haha
<14> the scientist say that it breaks the laws of physics
<14> but it still happens
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