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<0> I just think that if you're going to crusade, for want of a more precise word, wouldn't you focus your efforts on things that have a more immediate effect?
<0> And not just you personally, but the CT community as a whole
<1> hondje, I don't do short sighted
<2> um, is this really #physics?
<1> and this affects us all more than anything
<0> Dacicus: Yessir
<1> Dacicus, ufos need physics to fly
<0> hehe
<1> :)
<2> undoubtedly
<1> precisely
<0> #physics is a very OT chan, mostly because .... well, I don't see a question about something physicsy :)
<2> What if the required physics is beyond the general scientific knowledge?
<0> In that case, it becomes harder to get funding for :)
<1> should one dare to think about it and let the truth in, one can start with the accepted and see the scope. like watergate (remember FBI and CIA helped cover). like Hoover. like JFK (whoever did it) like his borther. like King etc...
<2> King?
<2> Hoover?
<3> Dacicus, then you'll first need to expand the general scientific knowledge, right?
<1> Martin Luther King
<2> There's a conspiracy theory about him?
<0> Dr. Martin Luther King Jr was an American Civil Rights leader in the 60s
<2> I know who he was.
<0> whew, I was concerned :)
<0> Then again, you might not be american...neverk now
<0> Half the chan isn't :)
<2> kleppari: Not if UFOs are really a secret government project. Then they might want to keep the new knowledge to themselves.
<2> Well, I wasn't born in the US, but I live here now.
<1> hehe he died of natural causes. acute lead poisoning. somewhat a theory regarding it. not obvious guilty party though
<0> I don't see how you can keep it hidden...if the smartest guy figures it out, he still did the ol' standing on the shoulders of giants
<1> of a theory.... no obvious...
<0> Someone else WILL eventually get there. Look at how many things were discovered independently
<2> DanF_DrC: I thought he was ******inated.
<1> Dacicus, hehe yes he was
<2> hondje: Yes, but they might take more time.
<1> hondje, discover what?
<0> high tech required for UFOs to be .gov in origin
<2> The hypothetical science
<2> yeah, that
<4> hondje: dude, even non-americans know Martin Luther King
<1> hondje, well the intel I have gathered says they weren't at leat to begin with. information seems to point to later succesful replication however
<0> JohnFlux2: well, we don't know who Disraeli was :-) I really don't know how well he is known outside the US
<1> least*
<5> apropos UFO engines, anyone heard any news about Podkletnov experiments? :>
<4> who's disraeli?:
<0> Wasn't he a British PM during the victorian era?
<1> mike-zed, yes. stories go he perfected it and not dents metal plates at a distance with it. why he doesn't demonstrate it is unknown
<1> s/not/now
<1> imminent fear of dying is often a good motivator
<1> worked for Clinton
<1> not so much for JFK and his brother
<0> It seems a leap to say JFK was wacked over UFO stuff
<0> s/seems/is
<1> I didn't say ufo. he was wacked though. and for something wouldn't you say
<0> I lean that way
<1> :)
<0> I don't think MLK was done in by the gov't though
<5> DanF_DrC, I saw an old reportage on TV about Ning Li, a chinese woman who claimed to make her researchs public available soon. Do you know her?
<0> Now, Malcom X is another story, I personally think he got Fred Hampton'd
<1> again you need to refine the term gov
<0> The US Gov't, or some hypothetical entity that controls it
<1> Clinton was not part of it. these people have taken matters into their own hands. free of any oversight
<0> Okay. I'm going to label 'these people' as super-gov't :-)
<1> couldn't work without some measure of gov concent though but that can be 'bought'. JFK is the magic word
<1> Steven Greer claims that the second meeting with Clinton's staff he was informed that Clinton would like to do the disclosure but coulnd't. he believe he would be killed
<1> believed
<0> You could make hondje happy by rallying against the huge effort being made against climate science
<2> What's climate science?
<1> did you just put out a conspiracy theory?
<0> Dacicus: Really?
<0> DanF_DrC: Absolutely
<2> hondje: Really what?
<0> Climate science is the study of ... climate
<1> hehe
<2> okay
<2> I thought it would be more complicated
<0> Oh, nope :)
<2> So, what's your conspiracy theory about it?
<0> I believe m***ive amounts of money and effort (well, m***ive is such a relative word) is being spent to dismiss solid research as being fear-mongering in order to prevent environmental legislation being changed in a way that would impact profits of those who would be most affected
<1> Dacicus, short story is that the world is heating due to manmade co2 and the ice bodies are melting because of it in a proces that if unchecked will cause countries to disappear due to rising sea level. 7m for greenland alone. 70m for antarctic. might also ironically trigger an ice age causing several countries to disappear under ice as well. Bush lean towards a 'maybe' more than the absolutely certain climate dudes
<2> You mean stuff like global warming?
<1> stuff like that yes
<1> hondje, nooo. how could that ever be kept secret..
<1> surely noone could deceive the world..
<0> The world isn't deceived :-)
<1> sheep
<2> Well, I can't say that I'm completely convinced about the supposedly dramatic effects of global warming
<1> QED
<0> I would agree with you, Dacicus
<2> but hydrogen and other alternate sources of energy sound cool
<2> so I back those
<0> But, there's a lot of supporting evidence
<1> hydrogen is part of the disinformation and confusion policy
<1> hydrogen is no solution at all
<1> unless you want the world to go under
<2> go under?
<1> and seems they do
<0> Go under what?
<1> it's a figure of speech but if that's too abstract then imagine the 80meters of water
<0> I suppose that's possible, but I don't personally think that would happen
<0> For a cynical bastard, I'm not much into doomsday :)
<2> Well, gtg study and such.
<2> I'll be back when I have a physics question ;)
<1> you are a curious mixture. aware on some issues and completely blind in others
<0> It'd be nice to study such questions without having talking heads jump on cable news channels insulting science as a whole, though
<0> There are a lot of climate models, DanF_DrC :)
<1> so bipolar that I keep suspecting you of trolling me
<0> No, I think you're missing something
<0> Though I do love to troll :-)
<1> models aren't needed to measure the current co2 levels
<0> It's painfully obvious global warming is real
<1> nor observe the melting
<0> I personally think that even if we aren't causing forcing-gone-wild, it'd be in our best interests to try and do something
<0> But suppose my personal hunch is correct and we're really dropping the ball
<3> physics question: Is gravity really a fundamental force?
<0> kleppari: Yessir
<1> you mean like mod your car to E85
<0> No, but you're on the right track
<1> a few rubber gaskets
<1> kleppari, nobody knows
<1> enough for today
<3> hondje, according to einstein, it's just a fourth spatial dimension..
<1> bbl
<0> kleppari: well, that's true too :)
<3> something that you can't see directly, a slope..
<3> doesn't that kill off gravity as one of the fundamental forces?
<0> DanF_DrC: You're going to miss the dramatic conclusion: I think when things get bad enough for people to stop buying the PR guys work, we'll make moves in the right direction and it won't be doomsday
<1> cowardice
<1> ruled by fear
<0> No, my personal opinion based upon research and people whose opinion I trust
<0> I'm not afraid of the seas rising, I live in Colorado :)
<6> lol
<0> and climate is really like one of three or four areas I really feel qualified to have an opinion in :-)
<0> kleppari: I'm thinking of a good answer
<0> Just, you know, in case you feel neglected
<3> heh :)
<0> Best I can come up with is 'you make sense, but it's considered a fundamental force in my textbooks'
<0> I'm sure one could tie in gravitons here
<3> do gravitons exist?
<0> they're predicted to exist, but havent' been observed
<3> are they predicted to exist according to einstein?
<3> nevermind, they're not
<0> No, it's a quantum thing
<0> interestingly, string theory predicts gravity
<0> Well, interesting to me at least
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