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<0> JohnFlux_, ?
<1> p0t: ..
<0> you pmed me but i left before i saw it
<1> oh
<1> heh
<1> p0t: I asked if you can get your mum to buy you that book
<0> yea
<0> idk maybe why?
<2> which book?
<0> einstein for beginners
<0> JohnFlux, why did you ask?
<2> i bought myself the algebraist and pushing ice recently
<2> JohnFluxwhat do you read?
<3> bah silly connection
<3> p0t: try and get it :)
<2> JohnFlux: what do you read?
<3> Manyfold: well i mostly read my university text books
<3> Manyfold: I really like Feynman's lectures though
<2> no fiction?
<0> JohnFlux2, why do you want me to get it?
<3> Manyfold: hmm little time for that :(
<3> p0t: because you are keen to learn
<3> p0t: I think it's important to feed that :)
<2> i would feet space time physics
<3> feet?
<3> feed
<2> whatever iam a janitor you know
<2> i am not supposed to know things
<3> Manyfold: go watch Good Will Hunting already
<3> Manyfold: download it from bittorrent or steal it from a janitor friend
<3> Manyfold: btw the book I recommended is about space-time
<4> Manyfold, do you like tangerine dream?
<2> what?
<2> JohnFlux: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0716723271/102-2195199-1336935?v=glance&n=283155
<5> Manyfold: looks interesting
<2> Now, as I work with students for several hours a day teaching relativity, I'm starting to hate this book.
<2> quote from that site :-D
<6> I thought you were a janitor
<7> he is a janitor
<7> special janitor-professor hybrid
<5> seanmeir: he's quoting the book
<7> okay
<5> seanmeir: opps i meant that to alunduil
<7> heh
<6> i just noticed that after i typed it, :P
<8> yo hello ..
<5> type_t: yo
<8> http://216.46.238.5/video/v030_petra.mov
<8> you watch Discovery TIMES channel?
<5> I don't, no
<5> type_t: interesting
<5> just finished watching
<8> i know DanF_DrC might like it too.
<8> Discovery TImes channel PETRA A QUEST FOR HOPE . "WOrld in Danger" conference. hosted by King of Jordan Son.
<9> so everyone startup up about string theroy yet?
<9> silent channel, ok
<7> what do you mean
<9> I was wondering if the tv show on now caused people to rush in and start babbeling about it
<7> oh, no
<7> there seems to be no change
<9> the show is a little oversimplified, I cant see how the theroy allows anything to be explained
<7> what show are we talking about, and, do you expect more of something on television?
<9> hmm I suppose not
<9> their giving a laymans description and history of string theroy
<9> supposably comprising an underlying commonality between all forces
<9> they dont do a good description of additional dimentions
<9> extra dimentions kinda hurt my head anyhow
<7> supposably lol
<2> rue_mohr: so you have some comments to make concerning string theory :-D
<2> be my guest :-D
<7> supposably he does
<2> rue_mohr: so you don't so no unification in string theory?
<7> lol that's the whole point of string theory
<7> unification of relativity and quantum mechanics
<10> Manyfold: so i've heard that there are many different versions of string theory and that most of them are equally valid..is this true?
<2> they are versions of a deeper theory called M-theory
<10> Manyfold: but why have different versions? why not just use M-theory and get rid of string theory?
<9> I'm not taking any judgement from the show
<9> well, what have things proven
<9> how many sub-atomic particles do there seem to be?
<2> JabberWalkie: the problem is the different versions produce different universes
<11> anyone familiar with QED?
<10> Manyfold: and we are not sure which one is our own?
<2> just like there are multiple solution for the einstein field equations
<9> was is oiler or euler the strign theroy origionated from?
<10> dont think so..
<2> but there are znderlying mathematical structures the point to an all encomp***ing mathematical theory
<9> 200 year old formula of some sort?
<10> Manyfold: mathematical theory mabey....but physical theory?
<2> how the **** was euler ? :)
<9> soryr, I'm not good eith nemes
<9> but man, I'm not worried about my typos so fra
<10> fra?
<2> we have seen the most abstract mathematical ideas resurface in physics
<9> lol thick as they may be
<9> well, the trick is to describe the gravity across the board yea?
<2> like linear algebra riemann geometry spinors group representation and all that
<9> andthe forces that define the behaviour of matter and everygy?
<10> rue_mohr: i think string theory/M-theory is trying to do more than that
<9> whats the primary difference between string and M ?
<2> rue_mohr: in quantum field theory the distinction between fields and particles all but disappears
<9> I presume at the heart of it is a equation that describes soem sort of 10 dimentional object
<2> that is the underlying idea of string theory also
<2> particles are nothing then vibrations on the relativistic string
<10> Manyfold: so we have string theory...but what are the other theorys out there? I have a professor thats working on somthing called loop quanum gravity. Do you know anything about that? It sounds interesting
<10> errr quantum
<9> ok, this is like the electric property of atoms being a cloud or a set of electrons?
<2> as fields get quantized the basic building blocks of fields turn out to have the properties of certain particles
<9> by field you mean a localized property of a single or set of dimentions?
<2> so both can be described as vibrations on the string
<2> i don't understand your question
<2> but i am just a janitor
<9> Im wondering what you define as a field
<9> as long as you stayed at a holiday inn
<9> :)
<2> JabberWalkie: i don't know much about lqg
<10> Manyfold: for christ sakes apply to a school OUTSIDE germany....its more of a pain...but probably worth it
<10> Manyfold: k..
<9> by field I ***ume you mean something that causes a localized effect on a single or set of dimentions
<10> Manyfold: i dobut you would have much problem getting into a Canadian/American university
<2> JabberWalkie might introduce you to the field concept if he likes i have to leave
<9> for example a gravitational field that effects a medium in 3 dimentions
<10> Im not familliar with QFT so probably not....
<9> or a dog peeing on my rug, effecting a 2 dimentional field on the floor
<9> a localalized effect of some sort
<9> a localalized effect on a medium of some sort
<10> rue_mohr: i belive feilds are used to avoid instantanious action at a distance.....so two particals dont act directly on each other....they create a field and the field affects a Force....somthing like that...]
<9> ok, so you mean a field more like air, that a vocalization uses as a medium for travel
<9> ?
<10> rue_mohr: somthing like that.......not sure if its purely a mathematical construct or not...
<10> rue_mohr: well I suppose it cant be
<9> ok, let me step sideways
<10> rue_mohr: you can get waves in the field and get things like photons and whatnot
<9> what does the shape of the object in the theroy matter, why a string?
<10> rue_mohr: not sure
<10> rue_mohr: as far as i know different particles are represented by different harmonics in the string
<10> rue_mohr: so in which case all paricles are essentially the same...but some are just vibrating at different frequencies
<9> does a process like fission effect this level?
<10> rue_mohr: no i dont think so
<9> ok, I can see that
<10> rue_mohr: the different vibrations give rise to different properties such as m*** and change..etc
<10> *charge
<10> anyways....i must work....
<11> cant believe manyfold is a janitor
<11> lol
<9> probably the one who will solve it
<10> mefistofeles: well he really should apply to gradschool outside of germany
<9> a whole bunch of time to do nothing but thing
<9> think
<10> rue_mohr: doubtfull....
<11> why outside germany?...physics in germany is good..iosnt it?
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