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<Getty> kuja: and that objects are used in the daemon too
<kuja> niraj: No one cares for fun.
<kuja> niraj: Until people actually think it's "cool" for serious stuff.
<Getty> ........
<Getty> its running perfect
<Getty> we dont have any problem
<Getty> but its wrong
<kuja> Getty: If you say so.
<Getty> kuja you rock ;)
<Getty> its stupid to use 2 languages on one project
<kuja> Emphasis on *If* and *you*
<niraj> kuja: i'm just curious if what you're saying is true
<Getty> that is the PRIMARY
<kuja> niraj: It is.
<kuja> niraj: I've got my own reasons not to use PHP, though.
<Getty> if you code 2 languages on one project you are just dump and got a bad team coordination
<Getty> but hey who cares.... you are rich and control a big team of several coders
<Getty> or was that someone else? ;)
<kuja> Getty: Right, who cares? I don't care about your code, though I have the right to express my opinion that you've made a mistake, and you have the right to question it, as much as I have the following right not to argue it any further.
<Getty> i get lunch, mcdonalds is calling
<Getty> kuja: i just thought you are good coder, but now i see you are just another dogma guy
<Getty> kuja: you are using linux and you force anybody to use it, right?
<elsyf> generalizations are dump too
<kuja> niraj: My own personal reasons for not using PHP is the above mentioned garbage collection issue, speed, and lack of flexible/simplistic code.
<Getty> kuja: if you mix it up with HTML, no wonder....
<Getty> kuja: i dont know in which world you are coding
<Getty> kuja: but between a good C++ code or Java Code and my php code there is not much difference
<niraj> lack of flexible/simplistic code? i can only see that if you've been using ruby or something
<kuja> niraj: And Python, some Perl (been wanting to learn more)
<Getty> niraj: i saw ruby on rails
<niraj> i've played with python a bit
<niraj> i don't think it's much more flexible than php is
<Getty> niraj: and its not easier then the code i make, actually its more complex i would say
<Getty> you need strang notation to get some result, but now lunch, its worthless to discuss that
<kuja> niraj: Python isn't as flexible as I want it to be.
<Getty> kuja: LOL
<Getty> kuja is really funny, please go to #python and tell this ;)
<Frixon> <Getty> kuja: if you mix it up with HTML, no wonder.... - That's just nonsense.
<kuja> I love expression modifers, blocks, and the OO model that I get in Ruby (Python has it, but not directly expressed as much as Ruby)
<elsyf> ruby is to perl what php4 is to php5
<kuja> Well, expression modifiers, a Perl thing. Blocks, simply flexible lambdas, and a nice OO model, which (just personal preference) is more comforting.
<kuja> Frixon: I've decided not to argue with coders who can't tell the difference between their *** and their PHP code, cause they smell-alike.
<niraj> lol
<niraj> that was pretty rude
<kuja> elsyf: That seems, somewhat true and somewhat false. Not too bad a description.
<kuja> s/description/comparison/
<kuja> elsyf: Though, only the good stuff from Perl is in Ruby :)
<elsyf> err, yeah, except i exchanged php4 with php5
<elsyf> :P
<elsyf> true
<kuja> Python lacks Ruby-like metaprogramming :)
<elsyf> tho, in reference to the supposed RoR greatness, i'm still waiting around for real world examples
<kuja> elsyf: There's plenty on their wiki/site.
<kuja> Though I'm not a Rails fan myself.
<elsyf> anything on amazon scale?
<kuja> elsyf: Just check it out.
<elsyf> alright, i will, cheers
<kuja> elsyf: Anything implementing the MVC pattern with ActiveRecord will be able to do the same crap Rails does.
<kuja> elsyf: Rails is just hype over a 20 year old design pattern.
<elsyf> i hopped onto the zope bandwagon earlier, and after that on to the twistedmatrix bandwagon
<kuja> Frixon: I hear that's a nice book.
<kuja> Frixon: I'd appreciate it if you got me a copy of Pickaxe 2 :)
<kuja> Pay for it and all :P
<Frixon> kuja: Everything I read from the Pragmatic Programmers was really good.
<Frixon> kuja: As a matter of fact, I have a copy of Pickaxe 2 ;)
<kuja> The first Pickaxe is the first Pragmatic Programmers book I ever read. It was *very* nice and clear. Very easy to understand.
<kuja> Frixon: I wish they'd release the 1.8 reference to the public.
<Frixon> kuja: I think that'll happen when the Pickaxe 3, concerning Ruby 2.0 is released :)
<kuja> Bah! Still always going to leave us one step behind. Damn them :P
<kuja> Frixon: YARV is nice. I hope it's the standard Ruby 2 VM.
<fangel> "Design Patterns: Elements of reusable object orientated programming" is a nice book!
<kuja> Performance is almost boosted by 200-300%
<Frixon> kuja: Have heard about it but not yet tested it.
<Frixon> Yes, that'a what I read in #ruby-lang, too
<kuja> Frixon: I don't think there's a stable release yet, but I built it from trunk (quite painful) but it was well worth it.
<Frixon> Which system are you working with? OS X or Linux?
<kuja> Linux
<Frixon> Hm. There's not DarwinPort for Yarv.
<Frixon> *no
<kuja> Nope, cause there's no stable release.
<kuja> You have to manually download it and build.
<kuja> YARV *should* be standard with Ruby 2, or so I hear.
<kuja> Ruby 1.9 is in place to break things and test out Ruby 2.
<Saberoth> hi
<kuja> Hi
<Saberoth> i've got a problem with my formmailer
<Saberoth> http://nopaste.php-q.net/194592
<Frixon> Hm, what happened to Rite?
<Saberoth> here
<Saberoth> it doesn't works
<Frixon> Saberoth: Perfect error description.
<Saberoth> nothing happens by the script
<Saberoth> the scrren is blank
<kuja> Frixon: Rite is just a spec.
<kuja> Rite is merely an implementation *detail*
<kuja> So basically codename for Ruby 2, AFAIK.
<kuja> Hm... kind of hard to read code.
<Frixon> Saberoth: Nobody can help you without you providing a detailed error description. That code is everything else than readable.
<Saberoth> erm
<Saberoth> so what must i do?
<Frixon> Saberoth: Insert some debug lines...see at which point something happens that's not expected.
<Saberoth> okay
<kuja> Saberoth: Well, in simple terms: That code looks like Perl (meaning, looks like gibberish to my eyes).
<kuja> Hey wisp
<Frixon> Saberoth: Also test if the conditions you use work properly and so on...try to isolate the error.
<Saberoth> k
<wisp> sup kuja :)
<kuja> Bah, my PHP downloads are slow.
<elsyf> my whole internet is slow ;/
<kuja> No wonder, it's downloading from the American Ubuntu repositories... wtf is up with that.
<Frixon> My internet is for porn.
<Frixon> wisp: Hm. You are in Qnet's #css channel?
<wisp> Frixon: yes
<Frixon> That's a relief that I'm not the only one being in Qnet. :)
<wisp> hehe
<kuja> I... hate GUI programming :S
<Frixon> kuja: Which framework are you using?
<kuja> Toolkit, you mean? GTK2
<Frixon> Err...yes. Toolkit.
<kuja> Attempting to write an IRC client using my Ruby IRC lib and the Ruby-GTK2 bindings.
<Frixon> kuja: Qt is cool and there also is: http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/ctrubyqt/index.html
<freeone3000> What about the Ruby-QT bindings? And the Ruby-Win32 bindings? :P
<kuja> Qt is nice, but I *personally* prefer GTK
<kuja> I know many think Qt is nicer, and faster (well, it is faster)
<Frixon> I like Qt's concept of SIGNALS.
<kuja> All I know about GTK2 signals in Ruby is that it's: widget_obj.signal_connect('signal') { ...code... }
<kuja> Of course, you can do this differently if you're using Accelerators
<freeone3000> :sticks with teh very nice Swing.
<Frixon> freeone3000: You mean Java's Swing?
<freeone3000> Frixon: The very same.
<freeone3000> Frixon: It's slow, it may not look nice, but it's easy.
<kuja> Swing is okay.
<Frixon> Swing is very flexible...
<kuja> I don't find Swing is slow, at all.
<Frixon> I like SWT more when it comes to Java GUI development
<Saberoth> http://nopaste.php-q.net/194596
<Saberoth> so?
<Psycho-MaN> when i write mysql_query('SELECT......') how can i catch the return of select and save it in a variable?
<Psycho-MaN> ?
<R1ck> read the manual?
<Frixon> Saberoth: First of all...you call is_gesperrt with 'mail' as a parameter. But that one isn't included in your $schutz array.
<Saberoth> ah
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