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<0> freeone3000: ty
<1> ...No problem?
<2> perl is fun sometimes
<2> have you ever seen the obfuscated perl contests?
<2> they're amazing....like 300 lines of code that looks like someone slammed their head against the keyboard a good 50 times that just prints "hello" or something...
<3> lol
<3> talking to yourself reikon
<4> 42 times.
<4> There's tradition to be respected.
<2> whoa...
<2> the xchat thing just happened again
<2> hold on..
<5> the xchat thing?
<2> yeah he tried to send me a file again
<2> yeah my xchat is being screwy for some reason
<2> and sourceforge is down...
<2> mmmkay.
<6> no effin way
<6> :-o
<3> maintenance
<2> yeah
<2> "We're Sorry.
<2> The SourceForge.net Website is currently down for maintenance. We will be back shortly"
<3> works now
<2> thanks hyphen4
<2> got the newest version....guess i'm stuck
<7> you'd think SF would have mirrors :)
<8> They do
<8> They all go into maint at the same time, though. :)
<7> TML: that's not mirroring, that's distributed load ;)
<9> the whole private scope thing in php5 is wigged out
<10> oh?
<9> itrebal: i keep running into situations where an inherited cl*** trying to access a private variable doesn't give a warning at all about the variable being private
<9> itrebal: i would expect that to be a fatal error
<8> dools: That's because the inherited cl*** inherits the private variable.
<9> TML: but private means that $this->private_var should fail, protected means that it should be accessible by inherited cl***es
<8> dools: Except that in PHP, extending a cl*** extends all scopes. So $this->private_var is the child cl***' $private_var, so it SHOULDN'T error.
<11> where can i learn about fetching mysql entries with php VIA javascript (IE, as we select something in a form, fetching something in a database via php without refreshing the page)?
<12> primer`: We call that either XmlHttpRequest or AJAX if you want to use buzzworks. Check out #ajax or #javascript.
<9> TML: it shouldn't mean that unless private_var has been explicitly declared in the cl*** declaration of the inherited cl***
<11> elazar: thanks
<1> You'll have to refresh something. You just stick the refresh in an iframe or something..
<12> primer`: NP.
<12> s/buzzworks/buzzwords :P
<12> freeone3000: You're behind the times dude.
<8> dools: The PHP development team disagrees with you.
<13> sigh
<9> TML: yeah, Java and C++ disagree with them
<8> dools: Well, PHP is decidedly NOT Java or C++
<9> TML: you reckon? they got their PHP5 object model straight from Java
<8> dools: No, they didn't...but thanks for playing.
<1> Cept for the everything.
<14> It's so fun when TML is around :)
<9> TML: when i read the description of the changes to the object model pre PHP5 release, i said to myself "hmm, this sounds familiar", and that was because it is exactly the same way Java handles objects. the whole p***ing a handle around instead of requiring & for objects. Java originated that
<8> dools: Yes, it looks like Java in places, but I was there when it was designed, and I've gone over the implemenation in thorough detail, and it's NOT Java.
<8> dools: It's something PHP has been discussing since before most of the world was aware there was a Java
<8> It just took a long time to get it implemented.
<12> Odd fact: The initial release of PHP came the month after the initial release of Java. :P
<15> I originated MP3 players long before other people even thought of them. I just never built one.
<9> TML: i know it's not _written_ in Java, but is a Java concept. anyway, the point i'm making is that if you have a private member function, and you try to call it from an inherited cl***, then it fails. the same should happen for variables. it makes sense, any other way is error prone and counter intuitive
<14> Heh, dools is deaf.
<8> dools: File a bug, I can pretty much promise you it will be closed as bogus within a wekk.
<8> s/wekk/week/
<8> dools: It's hardly a "Java concept" given that most "Java concepts" are stolen from Smalltalk.
<9> TML: yeah, that happens quite a bit
<8> dools: That's because we're convinced our way is right, and to hell with anyone who disagrees.
<1> Ha. You don't need anything but structs and enums.
<14> I would rather stick with Smalltalk, but apparently Smalltalk is dead :P
<9> TML: that's the spirit!!
<15> PHP > Java anyway
<8> kuja: Says who? Use squeak.
<14> TML: Yeah, that's a Smalltalk implementation right?
<8> Yes
<8> GNU
<14> Yep, I thought I heard it somewhere.
<16> ^Migs^: Yes, <?php echo ('PHP' > 'Java')?'PHP':'Java'; ?> ;)
<9> ^Migs^: PHP > Java? that's like saying apple > 4 ... completely different languages
<12> "It doesn't matter what you practice, as long as it makes you strong." --Bruce Lee
<17> anyone know why GD is making my transparency on my PNG black? (I am resizing the PNG and trying to use it as a watermark)
<15> your analogy is like saying "I sure do like pasta, but planetary objects are weird." Completely irrelevant and non sequitural
<15> they're both programming languages. There's your similarity.
<14> Elazar: The programming world follows this: "Use the right tool for the job"
<14> Oftentimes, Java is a much better tool than PHP.
<15> PHP is more fun to program in
<12> kuja: No arguments there. Languages have their place.
<14> I hardly find PHP to be fun, but okay.
<18> kuja: Well, this is IRC, so it's more of a 'insist that your tool is the right one and then insult your opponents mother'.
<14> PHP's place is in the web, nowhere else.
<14> FlamingCows: Mmm :)
<15> I run some PHP scripts as cron jobs
<12> So do I, actually.
<18> I write all my shell scripts in LISP.
<15> I use LOGO
<18> LOGO is an awesome 'language'!
<15> definitely
<19> haha
<18> Who doesn't love turtles?
<14> Me
<15> especially triangular turtles
<20> I have a turtle on my car's license plate
<19> Especially when they're drawing things!
<19> They're so useful too!
<9> ^Migs^: haha there's my similarity? so you going to say that PHP is better than COBOL and then implement banking software in php
<12> What's LOGO?
<9> ?
<14> I don't like turtles and the color purple.
<18> kuja: Awkward...
<19> Elazar: It's an old teaching language where your statements controlled a triangular turtle that drew things.
<14> FlamingCows: I'm eliminating logo and php :)
<19> It was designed to teach young children the fundamental ideas of programming.
<18> http://ewikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_programming_language
<15> you could even put music in it
<18> Er.
<18> http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_programming_language
<19> Extra e!
<19> lol
<8> bbtech: Are you trying to use alpha transparency?
<17> no
<8> bbtech: Are you sure?
<18> "The first implementation was written in LISP on a PDP-1."
<18> Why does that not surprise me?
<17> TML: no...but I don't think I am
<8> bbtech: So you have one particular color, and everywhere that color appears, you want transparent instead of the color?
<15> wow, I don't remember making graphics like that one on the wiki
<15> I learned LOGO in the 3rd grade. LOGO and BASIC.
<8> bbtech: There are two types of transparency: binary, and alpha. Binary trans. is either 100% clear or 100% solid. Alpha transparency is what is tradtionally used for watermarks.
<17> TML: yes, I want transparency instead of black...as I am using imagecopymerge to place a transparent png ontop of another image.
<14> I remember taking a LOGO cl*** in elementary school. And I took a VB cl*** in middle school :P
<15> I never learned VB
<14> Me too
<16> LOGO was my first experience with programming
<15> my schools didn't really teach any programming languages
<8> bbtech: You need alpha transparency. That means you have to use truecolor images in both source and target.
<17> TML: how do I tell what I'm using?
<15> unfortunately enough
<8> bbtech: *shrug* Most people just know.
<17> I'm using...ImageCreateTrueColor
<16> they brought in an actual mechanical turtle which you could program and set it going, too :D
<15> I made BASIC programs on my old Apple IIGS
<15> it'd be so cool if my parents still have my old floppy disks somewhere
<8> bbtech: binary trans. is "anywhere the color <foo> appears, make it 100% transparent to the underlying canvas."
<8> bbtech: You're not getting true color images on one side or the other.
<15> and I could find an Apple IIGS to run them on. I actually made a very sophisticated text-based city conquest game once, I remember
<15> actually, I could probably reprogram that in a couple days, now that I think abuot it
<8> bbtech: Do you understand what I mean by 100% transparent?
<18> I was doing TI-BASIC on a graphing calculator in 3rd grade. They tried to teach us LOGO in 6th grade, moving to TrueBASIC in 7th.
<21> 0% opaque
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