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<0> ???? :/
<1> :P
<1> and dont give me that look it's a fine language
<2> except for that it's not
<3> jiggster: I agree, Java is an excellent language.
<4> yeah, Java's great (apart from the license)
<2> It's an excellent language concept horribly implemented.
<1> in my cross platform environment, i need something i can run on any machine without the need for large code changes
<4> jiggster: you ever looked at wxwidgets?
<1> GUI specific is hard to implement for Windows and OSX, unless you use Java :P
<5> bri3d: Generally speak, I concur with your ***essment.
<2> dools: lol nice
<1> i agree, implemented badly
<5> jiggster: No it isn't. wxPython works just fine.
<3> jiggster: You can always use Python with wxPython
<6> well, we hate Java here in ##php
<3> Damn, TML is always quicker than me.
<1> :P i dont know python at all
<3> jiggster: It's a fine language, give it a try.
<7> yarr, get thee to #logo
<1> ive never looked at wxwidgets
<0> TML: I think I'm following now...I don't want binary...I want alpha...but...how do I use alpha?
<7> or #java
<8> I heart Java syntax, actually. I'm neither one way or the other on the implementation.
<1> perhaps someday
<5> jiggster: Look around, you'll find there's a m*** migration in progress away from Java to either Ruby or Python.
<0> TML: is it the way I am saving the file in photoshop?
<5> jiggster: PHP gets a few outliers.
<3> Yep, except Python is more ideal for cross platform GUI's, cause Ruby lacks a wxRuby implementation.
<8> I've heard bad stories about the JVM implementation, but it's always more or less worked for me.
<4> kuja: no it doesn't
<1> yeah but how well does python do "gui themes"?
<3> dools: wxRuby has halted development.
<5> bbtech: I don't know. pastebin your source and give me URLs to the image(s)
<3> dools: So yes, yes it does.
<1> are interfaces easily skinnable in ruby/python?
<4> kuja: yeah, but it _does_ exist :-) just needs someone to come to the rescue
<3> dools: Right, and the Ruby community isn't like the Python community, so it'll take some time.
<3> jiggster: You mean like Java's look and feels?
<1> yeah
<4> kuja: yeah, i was actually looking at rewriting my SoC project to use wx instead of qt (cos i hate the whole MOC thing... non-standard C++ aspect of qt)
<0> TML: http://pastebin.com/622716
<0> TML: watermark stuff starts around line 90
<3> jiggster: Not quite sure, I haven't done any wx stuff myself.
<1> hmm
<3> jiggster: Usually "skinning" in Qt or GTK will require you to use custom widgets.
<1> i see
<1> and on windows? :P
<3> Or the gtkrc stuff
<2> Qt is such a pain to work with.
<4> jiggster: there is an XML component loading library in wx that you can use for skinning
<4> kuja: skinning in Qt is mostly achieved using dynamic dialogs AFAIK
<1> ah okie
<2> MOC and the fact that it's C++ to start with is really annoying
<3> dools: Ah, I see.
<2> *C++
<3> bri3d: Well, Qt is faster than GTK, it's a good reason to use it. And it's got an aesthetic feel.
<3> I'm still a GTK fan, however.
<2> kuja: It's not that much faster than GTK 1.x, and it's got all that silly dcop stuff on top of it
<3> bri3d: The dcop stuff is nice
<3> I use it constantly for amaroK
<4> yeah, dcop is legendary
<1> perhaps one day :P
<2> kuja: Not if you're a minimalist like me :P
<3> :)
<5> kuja: What we need to do is bring wx to QT
<4> kuja: you ever written a qt/ruby app?
<3> dools: Nope, only Ruby-GTK
<3> TML: I've never done any wx to know :(
<3> wxPython is actually *one* reason I would like to learn Python more.
<3> Simply cause Ruby lacks it... grr
<5> bbtech: I don't accept DCC. I need URLs.
<3> No DCC? Must be at work :)
<5> No, at home.
<4> kuja: you used qt designer before?
<0> k...its on my local server...but I'll give you a link to an image.
<1> good policy
<1> shady irc creeps :P
<3> dools: The closest I've been to Qt is reading the API
<3> Other than that, I've used GTK designers, Glade/gazpacho
<1> the closest i've been to QT is... saying it
<4> hehe
<1> who could resist something that sounds like cutie :P
<3> :)
<3> I hear Qt is a much more flexible toolkit than GTK.
<1> probably
<1> gtk is dated no?
<0> TML: http://www.cl***icwebdevelopment.com/look.jpg
<3> jiggster: Dated?
<1> gtk's been around a while? longer than qt?
<3> Ah, not too sure.
<3> Qt used to be commercial, or so I remember hearing.
<1> doesnt kde use qt? or am i confused?
<3> Yes, KDE uses Qt
<1> and then gnome is gtk and all that
<3> Yep
<1> i dislike gnome
<1> im' sure i could learn to like it, but... no :P
<3> I prefer GNOME, cause it's faster than KDE, and simplistic enough for me, but not too simple.
<1> well yeah, speed is ok
<1> er
<3> As of 2.14, it's had *major* performance increases and is now way faster than KDE :)
<1> yeah speed
<1> xfce... never used that
<3> Though, KDE4 expects some better memory management and whatnot.
<5> bbtech: .jpg?
<5> bbtech: I thought you were using PNGs?
<1> well i'm hoping kde 4 will be nice... ive seen screenshots, it *looks* amazing
<0> TML: laying a png ontop of a jpg
<5> bbtech: I need the EXACT image(s) you're trying to use, both of them.
<0> k
<1> i have gentoo on my other partition, needs more setup... few things arent working, but i've got kde 3.5 on it right now
<1> it's alright i guess :\
<1> not much of a linux fan
<4> jiggster: try FreeBSD then ;-)
<0> TML: http://www.cl***icwebdevelopment.com/1.jpg
<3> jiggster: Get rid of OS X :P
<3> Or are you a BSD guy? :P
<0> TML: http://www.cl***icwebdevelopment.com/watermark.png
<1> erm? :P
<1> conflicting advice
<1> i use OS X, i will never drop it
<1> used to use fBSD
<3> =P
<1> i actually like fBSD a lot
<9> is there a function that removes all characters from a string that are not numbers or letters?
<1> a bit finicky though
<10> mgrim: probably a regex
<4> jiggster: if i were going to pay for an OS or a computer, it would be mac :-)
<1> lol
<5> bbtech: Just for the record, I'm not at all certain you can layer an alpha trans. PNG on top of a JPG and get sane results.
<11> Pollita: write your slides yet?
<0> hmmm
<1> dools, i had to pay for the hardware too... i'm in debt for a year on something outdated two months after i bought it
<4> jiggster: i run a PIII 800Mhz that i got for free off the side of the road
<11> heh
<4> jiggster: i write code in vi, why would i need anything more?
<11> I just setup a Athlon 800Mhz my sis-in-law gave me
<1> oh my :P
<12> /win 17
<12> gah
<1> i have four comps :x
<12> silly putty
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