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<0> nah. it's not a stupid thing. it's just the good old fashion way
<1> haha
<2> stedios: It's a C thing, btw.
<3> hello
<4> Hey
<3> i'm a newbie
<3> i'm trying to figure out a script I just pulled offline
<5> kuja: I love to be insulted. my fav past time :)
<5> does anyone have an answer to my question though?
<2> Kaitlyn: 80%+ PHP coders are stupid. That's the insult :)
<2> Kaitlyn: It's up to you to become part of the 20%.
<5> kuja: haha
<3> I'm trying to make a hit counter script
<5> SOMEONE help me! *goes crazy*
<2> Kaitlyn: A big reason being is that many of them don't have a prior programming background, because PHP is similar to C in a procedural aspect and similar to Java in an OO aspect.
<6> I think next time I have a problem that's stupid and I know i'm just retarded, i'm going to change my name to something feminine like "Shelly" or "NicoleGirl" and get all the attention and help I could ever need
<7> krl: what's the problem?
<3> i'm trying to get how fopen works
<2> Of course, lig is an exception...
<7> krl: http://php.net/fopen
<5> kuja: my error_reporting() question - ANSWER IT
<2> And well, Pollita doesn't need help, she's smarter than most :)
<6> Pollita helps me
<3> is there anything special I need to do to make a file able to be opened by IIS?
<2> Kaitlyn: Eh?
<6> krl: use something other than IIS
<7> Kaitlyn: error_reporting(E_ALL ^ E_NOTICE) should work as intended
<3> :)
<5> wisp: it does indeed not display the notices to the screen
<5> but for some reason it wrecks my formatting
<3> Here's my error Warning: fwrite(): supplied argument is not a valid stream resource "source" on line 20
<7> Kaitlyn: i couldn't tell you why.. seems strange
<6> I don't think I make the 20%
<5> wisp: hmmm! it seems the only workaround I can think of is just set a custom error handler and don't output aynthing :S
<2> tek_: It's almost closer to 10%
<5> then it works
<5> im so confused
<7> krl: guess it's not a valid stream eh?
<3> what's that mean?
<6> kuja: I agree. I think, personally, you can slice it to the select "l33t" few that to around 6-7%
<6> (or... as you pointed out, 10%)
<7> Kaitlyn: or fix your E_NOTICE
<7> s
<7> ;)
<7> damn 'return' key.. :/
<5> FINE WISP!
<1> at least bottom half of 80%
<5> i'll set all my vars
<7> krl: did you read http://php.net/fwrite ?
<5> lol
<7> Kaitlyn: good for you ;)
<6> i've written *_a lotttt_* of stuff in PHP. still don't consider myself in that 10%
<3> yeah, a little
<7> krl: try reading it more..
<3> what's the @ do in: @$fptr = fopen($filename, "w+");
<3> ok
<6> krl: ignores errors
<3> oh
<7> krl: don't use @
<3> ok
<6> which is, as wisp just said...a bad idea.
<6> @ should be aliased as "@pathy"
<6> seriously...
<7> errors should be fixed, not ignored.. (yes that's notices too Kaitlyn ;)
<7> 'atpathy' ? ;)
<3> :)
<3> i get a permission denied error that shows up now
<6> wisp: whatever "floats your boat"...and or sinks it in this case.
<6> what's that saying "taking a bite out of crime"?
<7> krl: you must have permission to write to the file.. doh
<6> doesn't that ****
<5> i can unset($_SESSION) vars right?
<7> Kaitlyn: sure
<3> I'm gonna see if I can get if then, ...
<8> Yeah, but don't actually unset $_SESSION itself.
<8> (As mentioned in the docs.)
<5> right :)
<6> Kaitlyn: do you understand why?
<3> will a stream fail because it doesn't have write permission?
<3> fail to open
<5> oh great!
<9> !+@
<10> [@] The PHP error control operator that suppresses errors (@foo()), see: http://php.net/operators.errorcontrol - Don't use it. Think I'm wrong? Ask me about "GO".
<5> now i have no errors left
<5> and STILL screwed up output!
<5> this makes NO sense to me
<7> Kaitlyn: let's see the page
<7> krl: no, it will just write anyways.. of course it will fail!
<5> wisp: its local page in dev...
<7> Kaitlyn: aint got public access? :)
<7> let's see a screen shot then.. :P
<6> haha
<5> found the problem
<5> in an included file, in a stylesheet! :)
<5> haha
<7> :S
<5> error_reporting was obviously not set for a page that generates the css
<5> doh!
<5> thats annoying
<5> cause now i CAN go back to hiding notices.. haha
<5> or, wait.. some servers don't allow you to change this, do they?
<7> Kaitlyn: i've never heard of any that don't
<7> Kaitlyn: you *should* still fix them though
<5> haha i like the should
<5> and i will
<5> i echo a lot of $vars which may be blank
<5> in which case they ake up no room
<5> now i have to set them all to ''
<5> or check if they exist, and echo them
<5> annoying
<7> might be..
<5> haha
<7> but why would you wanna echo vars that aren't set? ;)
<6> wisp: duh, why not?
<5> they are a bunch of visual enhancers... like, maybe a link to the next page...
<5> its easier to echo $nextPageLink
<5> then if (isset($nextPageLink)) echo $nextPageLink
<6> Kaitlyn: you should make it a HABIT to always check variables contents, and if they're set ALSO if they HAVE anything in them or not
<7> http://uncyclopedia.org/images/5/5b/Windowsvistamarketing.jpg <-- m$ latest pr move
<2> !+m$
<2> Hm
<2> Ah
<2> !+ms
<10> http://mmcc.cx/m$
<2> wisp: That's for you
<5> tek_: but.. why? if i echo it and its nothing, then it takes up no room, doesn't affect display formatting.. the user wouldn't know the difference?
<6> Kaitlyn: and if it's not set at ALL?
<6> Kaitlyn: THEN what happens?
<2> Kaitlyn: I'm sorry to say, you are part of the 90% BAD PHP coders.
<5> kuja: as long as you're there with me, its okay :)
<6> wisp: that vista marketing ad is great.
<5> tek_: if there is no notice, then NOTHOING hapens :)
<2> Kaitlyn: Nah, I'm far away from you.
<6> Kaitlyn: he's not
<6> Kaitlyn: Wow, okay.
<11> are we having a pissing match over Style?
<2> Kaitlyn: Considering I'm the one who comes up with these stats, from general observation.
<9> kuja: **** em if they dont want to listen
<2> 3 ****ing years of observing people who use PHP.
<2> Jymmm: Yeah, you're right.
<5> kuja: then you're a traitor
<2> Jymmm: What are you up to? Carving stuff?
<9> kuja: Designing stuff to carve.
<6> Kaitlyn: Hmm... I think it's explicitly obvious where kuja's loyalty lies
<2> Jymmm: Ever get around to carving the Chinese character? :)
<12> anyone here ever tried smarty?
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