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<0> Artnez_, do you know anything smaller than cpcommerce?
<1> mozez: take my advice, if you want to learn how an 'e-commerce system' works, learn how to write simple applications first
<1> 'e-commerce system' is a marketing phrase... like 'ajax'
<0> Artnez_, i usually learn something by looking at a piece of code not by reading a book or a tutorial that's a waste of time
<0> Artnez_, I'm not a beginning programmer
<1> mozez: then you're in for a big disaster down the road. i'm insulting, just being honest.
<0> Artnez_, disaster? ;)
<1> example: learning how to write extensible e-commerce systems has alot to do with OOP in my opinion
<1> you will find books on secure AIM/SIM transactions
<1> and how to properly implement them
<2> I want to do online banking over aim
<1> Myconid: hold on, i'll find a tutorial :P
<2> lolol.
<0> Artnez_, okay... then maybe not e-commerce. just a simple program that let's you add a table, run queries, all that type of stuff...
<2> Anyone used oscommerce?
<2> What a piece of **** that is



<1> Myconid: i've seen it around.
<1> anything mainstream is a piece of **** in my opinion
<1> look at cpanel
<3> *shivvers*
<2> cpanel isnt bad, and fills a nitch.
<1> Myconid: p-lease dude
<1> it doesnt support apache2
<1> that says enough
<2> OSC is bizzare... variables are named differently between the main pages and cart pages.
<2> I did ~8 OSC customizations .. and wtf
<2> its such a piece of ****
<1> mozez: i really dont know what you're asking for. if you want to see how an application works, you're not going to find out much
<2> someone needs to make a good php ecom app
<1> go to hotscripts.com and search if thats what you're after :)
<2> im not at all..
<3> they probably have; but it's in java or .net :D
<2> CLoCkWeRX: .myballs
<1> however if you cannot understand 'how' an application would function in PHP, you need to nail down the basics of PHP and go from there
<2> What was that in reference to?
<0> Artnez_, nm thanks
<1> for example: "you add a table, run queries, all that type of stuff" -- i'm ***uming you meant database interaction which is a whole new slew of information to understand.
<3> you have the Problem of mediocre programmers who used to be web designers "having a bash" at doing something in php that just doesn't be done
<4> Myconid, cpCommerce IS a good php eCommerce application
<2> tempest1: pssh... its crap.. utter crap
<3> we don't have much in the way of One True Framework; so you don't get to draw on much except PEAR - so it's rolling your own Everything
<1> tempest1: i think he was referring to osCommerce, not cpCommerse
<4> Myconid, why is that?
<4> no, i was refering to cpCommerce
<0> Artnez_, a whole new slew? you make this sound like it's actually hard
<2> erm .. sorry.
<2> Ive never used cpC
<2> my bad.
<1> temptest1: yes, but i think HE was referring to osCommerse
<2> OSC is poop
<4> oh, ok
<3> and before you know it, your BudgetDeveloperTeam has written a piece of **** like cpanel
<4> yea, cpc was made to address the ****tiness of osc
<2> CLoCkWeRX: I wrote my own 'cpanel' using the horde stuffs.
<2> its pretty primitive.. but works
<1> the guys who founded cpanel are really raking in the cash though
<2> yep
<2> its the best out there
<1> who would think ... all it takes is a decent app like cpanel to be released and it'll steal all of cpanel's business
<1> and make the developers millionares
<5> is: catch (Exception $e) the default for trying and catching?
<2> cpanel is pretty advanced... and the issue you run into is people think cpanel is defacto..
<2> and you need to copy it.. or they wont use yours.
<4> firefly2442, i don't think you have to name the type
<5> so just catch ($e) ?
<4> i think
<2> I hate try/catch
<2> java called.. they want their ****ty interface back
<5> hmm, that didn't seem to work
<5> is there another way to do it?
<5> I need to check for errors in socket networking
<2> I just check for errors.
<1> i just have a errorhandler cl*** with different handler methods
<1> $errorhandler -> sethandler( "standard" ); is enough for me
<4> firefly2442, yea, i think google knows...
<2> Ive never used try/catch, and never had a problem.
<2> When I read that PHP even had that functionality, I laughed.



<1> my errorhandler is very useful though, i use debug_backtrace() to get all the info i need
<5> cool, I'll check it out on the manual
<5> thnx
<4> Myconid, it's useful for the people who use the OOP features of PHP5 because it allows for a more application specific error handling method of the reusable cl***es.
<1> tempest1: how so?
<1> error handlers can be nested
<2> tempest1
<1> or so to speak
<4> well, you could have the member functions return bad errors and have your code constantly check for them
<2> erm.. I populate an $error field in my cl***.. i prefer to have a if(error) print error .. style funciton
<4> or have one try statement block
<4> and error handling at the bottom
<4> eh
<1> i dont see why even do all that
<1> i just run trigger_error() in any cl*** method
<1> debug_backtrace() gives me all the info i need -- where it was called and how
<4> Artnez_, but what if i want to use that same code and not have it trigger an error?
<4> then without editing the cl*** file i have no control over what it does
<1> in my database abstraction cl***, i have an error method
<4> ok
<1> just edit the error method and you're good to go
<1> $this -> error( "bling blong" );
<1> if you want to define how the entire application handles errors, check the errorhandler
<4> all i'm saying is I'd use try/catch because i prefer handing errors on an application basis
<4> and possibly using the same include files for multiple applications
<4> if they all had different $this->error() methods i couldn't do that
<4> Artnez_, what if i want to keep PHP errors seperate from cl*** errors?
<1> debug_backtrace() facilitates that
<4> but that's more difficult than simply using try/catch
<1> it'll tell you where the error source came from, you can then use php's reflection API to find out anything you need about said cl***
<4> Artnez_, do you not see how that is more complex then a try statement block?
<1> .. not really :/
<4> well, i guess it's a matter of opinion
<4> i'll stick to my try/catch :-p
<1> i wonder what would happen if we were put together in the same dev room
<1> and told we were on the same level of the todem pole
<1> noses would be broken :D
<4> Artnez_, then we'd better hope that level isn't the top
<4> lol
<6> Won my baseball game, 4 for 4, booya jimmy
<2> hrmph.. why do keyboards still have caps locks keys
<6> If I want to include my webcam in a web page with PHP, can I do that?
<5> well, it seems that the error message that I am trying to catch is a warning
<6> Been trying to find a solution the past 15-30 minutes...should I use java?
<5> so it's not being caught apparently
<6> *cringe*
<7> Artnez_, hi how to make the prvious page not visible when user log out :-)
<5> is there a way to catch a warning?
<7> Artnez_, i did headers() its working but a mable to view the content of previous page
<8> I just want to note something I find a bit comical. There is a particular conditional statement that, when executed crashed my apache server (Rather it 'says' its crashing and doesn't). If I seperate the statement into a temp variable then apply it, its fine. Just thought that was a bit funny to note.
<9> firefly2442: error_reporting(E_ALL)
<10> nandan: you mean you want to stop the 'back' button after logging out?
<7> deadroot, yes i dont want to display contents when user press back button after he logs out
<5> wisp, thanks
<10> nandan: www.php.net/headers has examples on how to expire the page and prevent caching
<10> oops.. www.php.net/header
<8> By any chance, could be php be reserving the keyword "system"? I did not see it on the reserved keyword list.
<10> system is a function name
<4> it's a function
<8> Ah. Thanks.
<10> strange though. i do use $array and it works
<8> I've been using a $system[] array, which has been working until I tried to do a stacked condition with it.
<10> stacked condition?
<11> tek_: If your web-cam serves dynamic JPEG's then you won't need to do anything with either PHP or JAVA.
<4> deadroot, is array a function?
<4> if PHP doesn't support named arguments, then it can't be
<10> $array = array();
<11> tempest1: No, it's a language construct.
<6> owh: but to stream it
<4> owh, thanks
<8> if($system['something']=isset($blah)){}
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