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<0> or #offtopic
<0> :D
<1> Myconid well, if someone decides to come in and ask PHP questions, we'll be happy to answer as we have been all evening
<0> b1n0ry: i was joking
<1> and btw, i -do- have a big penis
<2> crap, i missed the sarcasm
<1> lol, jk
<1> it's tiny
<2> atleast it doesnt get in the way
<1> anyway... Artnez_... one job, i can't mention the client (obviously) but a very large client wanted to test their systems procedures for when they fired people. so they hired us as network admins, basically. i was there 2 days and got "fired". he was there for a week.
<1> it was cool, they had me escorted out by building security and everything
<2> lol
<1> then they put in the requests to have us terminated. we were supposed to wait 24 hours and see what we could do.
<2> i love the word 'terminated'
<1> lol.
<0> TERMINATORED
<2> termi-nutored
<2> is more like it
<1> i knew squat about brute force hacking and stuff, so he dealt with all that
<0> b1n0ry: i cant believe you delt with large companies like this and they didnt have any sort of IDS or logging..
<2> Myconid: you haven't seen presidential voting machines i ***ume
<0> Artnez_: my state does paper still.
<3> b1n0ry: Oh good gawd man... you gotta find the sick humor in at least one of my jokes to laugh at!
<2> the study on the previous election was finally concluded .. they found about 200,000 voting errors
<2> many of the booths would spit out errors such as:
<2> 'unkown error 246'
<0> lol
<0> i just do unknown error in module <module name>
<0> i never give an error code
<1> i called the corporate office and said "Hi, I'm from the <remote>office and I'll be there for a few weeks for training. Who do I need to talk to to get a voicemail box and an office down there to use?" and they gave me to the telecom lady who just set up a voicemail box without asking. Well, when you set up an account with the helpdesk, they give your p***word on your voicemail (that's 'proof' that you're a customer) so i spoofed an email f
<2> either they intentionally ****ed it up or (what i think) they hired some dip****s who knew how to talk but not deliver
<0> b1n0ry: I was doing work with a company who writes anti-spam software.. and their tech director was telling me abou tthis awesome spoof one of their clients had happen to them..
<4> so: i've got extension=php_mhash.dll in my php.ini, libmhash.dll is in the right place, the server doesn't complain when i restart it about being unable to load it or something
<0> b1n0ry: the spammer sent eails to every address at the host... and noted the failures.
<0> b1n0ry: then a month later did the same thing, and looked for new accounts..
<0> b1n0ry: then sent the new accounts emails saying 'welcome to <company name> please go here to enter your direct deposit info'
<0> with the CFO's email, name, etc
<0> and sig
<1> so basically, they created a phishing scam
<0> right.. but amazingly targeted.. and well executed.
<0> it took them a month to figure out what happened
<1> people are the weakest security point in any system. that's pretty much what we determined with our 'experiments'.
<0> yep
<5> nn all
<2> b1n0ry: a well known fact or so i hear
<1> i'll tell you, within 2 weeks of our "terminations" with that company, we returned with a full inventory listing of the company's raw materials globally (manufacturing), most of their chemical formulations, a list of every account on their North America Windows domain (around 2000 accounts) along with p***words for 80%+ of them, voicemail boxes, office locations, e-mail addresses, and even business cards printed with company logos. it was g
<2> alot of the security today is programmitcally implausible to break -- though a single email that says 'please confirm your paypal account click here' could lose thousands for a person
<1> my partner managed to get a "legitimate" remote access account complete with dial-up access and a secureID card
<1> sent to his "home office" by the helpdesk
<2> especially considering that most government systems are now based on close-to-latest technology and they still teach MS Word in senior year high school
<6> Office is taught starting from middle school, and even in high school.
<2> people are unprepared, as you show b1n0ry.
<1> exactly. we had a client here in town (big company you've heard of). we'd walk right into the building and talk to the security guard. wander through their offices and people thought we worked there.
<2> kuja: i grew up in brooklyn, ny -- the most i learned about computers in school was a chinese kid who taught me how to play with AOL accounts in 7th grade
<6> I live in Korea... went to American schools (on base) my entire life. :)
<2> they didnt go past ms word (didnt even touch MS Office)
<6> VB and Logo used to be taught in middle school for us, and then Java/C++ in high school.
<1> if you look and act like you belong somewhere, people ***ume that you are supposed to be there
<2> kuja: then you haven't seen the US public school system
<6> Artnez_: I hear it ****s :P
<1> if you're confident and not "out of place" people will give you everything
<2> kuja: dont get me started
<6> lol
<2> b1n0ry: when i was in grade school i got caught for stealing in K-Mart ... talk about easy
<6> Our school was DoDEA school. Department of Defense Education Activity
<2> we'd walk into k-mart, go to the produce section -- grab some snapples, pop them open and casually drink them
<6> s/school/schools/
<0> i wanyed to mod my compy case in highschool..
<1> how was it easy if you got caught?
<7> hello can someone show me
<0> So i went to walmart.. and bought spraypaint.. like 4 kinds.
<7> how to use forms
<2> it wasnt my fault, we brought a new kid.. you know how it goes
<0> sharmaa: ....
<2> he got shaky when we were ripping open a game
<6> sharmaa: No one can show you. You have to learn.
<1> oh, lol. he gave you up.
<0> sharmaa: google broken?
<7> echo '<input type=radio name='$key'" value = "$key">
<7> i did this
<2> b1n0ry: no, he got scared and got in sight of a camera without thinking
<0> sharmaa: <form action="submitpage.php" method="get">
<2> sharmaa: go through a FULL tutorial
<1> i've never stolen anything such as merchandise, only information and (as an adult) only legally as in the previously mentioned context
<7> hm
<7> Myconid
<7> where would i write that form action part
<0> b1n0ry: i dont think i own a piece of software on my desktop
<6> If we have Windows users here, I can almost safely say that 70% of them are thieves,
<1> sharmaa: do you know -anything- about HTML?
<0> sharmaa: google 'php form tutorial'
<7> yes
<1> sharmaa: PLEASE go to www.w3schools.com and GO THROUGH THE WHOLE HTML TUTORIAL
<2> well i think its safe to say we wall had our crazy days. i never stole information or anything beside some stunts when i was a kid. i'm just too afraid to **** with anything else and screw up my existence :/
<1> sharmaa: THEN go throught whole PHP tutorial
<1> sharmaa: THEN come back and ask your questions
<0> sharmaa: <? // submitpage.php \n echo $_GET['form_name']; \n ?> (\n = enter)
<1> otherwise, we're going to end up doing your whole project for you.
<6> Ew, <?php
<6> err
<6> <? :)
<6> Just... plain out, EW :P
<2> Myconid: give it up .. sharmaa hasn't looked at anything. it's like teaching a newbie from scratch .. not what this is for methinks
<0> kuja: why not?
<3> PHP EEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW PHP
<6> Jymmm: Yah, EWWWWW :D
<3> kuja GET THE PHP OFF ME YOU BASTARD!
<6> Myconid: Less portable, conflicting, and gets kind of ugly.
<2> b1n0ry: but he will with a 1 foot pole
<0> kuja: For the love of god, how is it less portable?
<6> Jymmm: JOIN ME IN RUBY OR PYTHON BASTARD! :)
<0> kuji: when you have a page with <?=$variable ?> in it..
<6> Myconid: Because it's disabled on my server, and disabled on many other servers.
<3> kuja fsck no, those are cults
<0> <?php= ?> is bigger
<2> so back to my initial question -- has anyone tried ruby and, if so, is it a true contendor for PHP?
<1> ew
<8> Jymmm is smarter than that kuja
<8> ya friggin sadist :p
<6> Jymmm: TML does it! Yeesss yes he does! We can allll go to Python :O
<1> Jymmm: lol (there i laughed)
<6> Artnez_: I don't do web development, so I safely choose Ruby.
<0> ew.
<6> Nothing will beat PHP in web development. Because PHP naturally is *meant* for web development.
<3> b1n0ry: Ha... you know I'm right, even if you dont want to admit it!
<0> kuja: right..
<6> Other langauges, Python or Ruby, they need frameworks to support them.
<1> Jymmm: mmm... nudist... right
<2> i haven't had the time to mess with Ruby, but all i've seen was less control for the developer and more tight-***-edness. nothing that php can't do. though i didnt see much so i'm not making any statements.
<1> Artnez_: there are 20 people in #ruby and 403 in ##php. does that tell you anything?
<6> Artnez_: Less control my ***.
<6> b1n0ry: #ruby-lang
<2> kuja: see, point proven
<1> heh, that's better
<2> why go to ruby-lang when you can go to ruby
<1> good question
<2> overcomplication :D
<3> b1n0ry: 1) good self esteem 2) Can see th hickeys on her and kill the SOB that but em there!
<3> b1n0ry I'm all for #2
<6> Artnez_: Maybe because the site is ruby-lang.org?
<1> Jymmm: i like nudism, but it's hard to hide the woody
<6> Artnez_: Any oddly enough everyone already knows how to find their way around :)
<3> b1n0ry if she wasn't a nudist, then it just be weird knowing she has hickeys
<6> s/Any/And/
<1> Jymmm: depends on where they were
<6> I don't really care what programming language you use. In fact, I encourage you to use PHP for web development. If you're doing **** outside web development, you want to drop PHP, and go into Perl/Python/Ruby or whatever.
<3> b1n0ry: 2nd or 3rd base
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