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<0> b1n0ry: No
<1> b1n0ry: /msg php-bot help
<2> caffinated: html_template_it in pear is pretty good at it. you still need display code, but it's not hard to keep HTML out of it
<3> b1n0ry: Not really, must are by memory.
<3> most
<4> Hi
<1> TML: oh, was that removed?
<3> b1n0ry: Not really, most are by memory.
<5> Jymmm: do all users have the ability to make php-bot tell other people stuff?
<1> TML: or just no longer pertinant?
<4> i just installed apache and php.. the http://localhost/ works fine (shows the index.html in /var/www/ ) but the php file there doesn't work.. the browser asks me to save it
<0> Everytime I've published one, people began immediately abusing random factoids.
<6> derek_: tell apache to parse .php files with php
<5> TML: i can understand that. bots get abused.
<3> b1n0ry pretty much.
<0> Having a list of factoids increases bot abuse by roughly 10,000%
<1> TML: I thought there was an ACL in place for that now
<4> myc, how?
<6> derek_: rtfm, stfw
<0> caffinated: They can still "!tell foo about bar"
<1> ah
<7> derek_: You should read the installation chapter of the PHP manual, which covers your problem.
<4> k
<5> TML: i was wondering why that worked when i've done it. just curious, i'm not an abuser (though i do like that php-bot can give me stock quotes)
<1> functionality which shouldn't be there anyway
<7> Indeed, there are a few better conduits for that sort of information.
<7> Do one thing, do it well! :)
<5> caffinated: agreed, but sometimes handy, lol. keeps me from opening a web browser.
<1> b1n0ry: yes, because opening a web browser is one of the more difficult tasks in life ;)
<5> caffinated: yep
<7> Get a little stock quote desktop widget.
<8> how can I call $this->foo() with call_user_func_array()?
<5> mattmcc: yeah, i'm going to install one.
<1> heh, if you're under windows, you can even just use the underutilized web desktop feature
<3> mattmcc: Next thing you're gonna say is to use FTP instead of email to transfer 6MB files
<5> Jymmm: ok now, stop the crazy talk
<0> mattmcc: He gets the quotes from fin.yahoo.com
<1> Jymmm: email is a lousy thing to transfer files with
<7> NotHere: See http://php.net/call_user_func_array, and follow the 'callback' link.
<3> caffinated Tell JoeUser that
<1> baring the fact that base64 bloats things up to obscenity, you then have to worry about filtering
<9> we need a !tell x sarcasm
<10> i block anythign over 2MB on our mail server
<11> hi.
<5> Artax: same here
<10> use FTP or the Extranet
<12> i block most things Jymmm says :-x
<13> Artax: And I wanted to send you 175G email...
<14> Heh, one of my clients keeps trying to send someone 98MB EPS files over e-mail
<8> mattmcc: thanks! I missed the callback link...
<13> drat
<15> Hello laurens_
<5> i did have a user try to backup his personal folders file in MS Outlook by sending it to his home e-mail account.
<3> ds- Tell your client about zip
<5> somewhere around 500 MB
<10> email == PLAIN TEXT -- if you want to send HTML send it as an attachment, files too
<10> ugh
<1> or don't send attachments at all. I'd far prefer email to stay plaintext myself.
<6> ditto.
<1> as soon as they made html ok in them, things got stupid.
<7> The common use of e-mail for file transfers demonstrates one of two things (Or both). 1: Users, by and large, are not sufficiently informed about the right ways to perform certain tasks. 2) Servers do not provide the right services often enough, and applications are not sufficiently user-friendly for users to be comfortable using them.
<5> Artax: funny, our CFO just put in a policy that he wants ALL CONFIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS SENT VIA E-MAIL. Previously they were using faxes. I guess faxing is much less secure seeing as how there are all those unencrypted fax relays and all.
<10> thats funny... i bet you have web mail and you cfo
<7> After all, why do people send big files in attachments? Because they know how to send attachments, and because they don't often have an FTP client or server available.
<10> 's p*** is money
<16> what does CFO stand for?
<16> financial officer?
<7> Yeah.
<5> minDtro: Chief Financial Officer
<10> yeah
<7> Not the person you want making technology policy decisions.
<5> artax: and yes, we have webmail
<3> CTO
<10> our CFO would use paper if she could
<1> tell her to save a tree.
<10> for everything i mean
<7> No doubt.
<5> Jymmm: we don't have one of those or a CIO. I was offered the position, but declined it as it would have required a relocation to Richmond, VA.
<10> i prefer to be called GOD
<3> mattmcc: The biggest issue is email is a simple known solution. I'm getting large files from a supplier, imagine trying to teach them how to use FTP, even if I had an ftp setup for that purpose.
<1> Artax: I tried to call God, but it kept coming back as a nil object
<0> mattmcc: I have a milter on joeysmith.com that catches outbound emails from certain users, writes the attachments to their apache userdir, and appends a link to the file to the bottom of the email.
<10> i initiate myself at the beginning of every day
<0> mattmcc: It's not quite perfect yet, it breaks down from time to time, but I think it'll be a good solution at some point.
<5> caffinated: apparently you had the wrong library loaded
<7> Jymmm: That would be my second point, FTP isn't user friendly enough.
<1> b1n0ry: yeah, I don't require the blind_faith library
<10> yeah... .NET
<5> caffinated: guess that's why your programs crash and burn
<3> mattmcc: and not transparent enough either.
<7> TML: Nice..
<0> caffinated: And yet I'd be willing to bet you include it.
<7> Jymmm: Well, I would say transparency is an element of user friendliness. :)
<1> TML: heh, it would actually have to be installed first
<0> caffinated: Ever seen Morroco?
<1> TML: I don't believe so
<0> caffinated: Do you believe it exists?
<10> ive seen morroco in Epcot Center
<5> how about Iraq?
<3> mattmcc true enough. and me having the ability to send/receive 10MB+ emails keeps it simple.
<0> s/Morroc/Morocc/
<10> that wont exist for much longer, bad example
<1> TML: This is a baited trap
<0> caffinated: :)
<5> albeit a valid one
<1> not particularly
<1> I could go there tomorrow. you can't go see God.
<10> its not valid.. there is physical proof those places exist
<0> caffinated: It's just to point out that it's a question of *what* you have faith in that matters, *not* whether you *have* faith.
<10> welll... he can
<1> b1n0ry: you can view air under an electron microscope
<0> caffinated: You *believe* you could go there tomorrow, just like some people *believe* there are places on Earth they can go to visually interact with their diety.
<3> ds-: You're MTA should respond with some sort of "file to large" and an alternative solution (at least that's what I would do).
<0> s/die/dei/
<7> b1n0ry: That's not far from a Billy Graham quote.
<0> Man, I cannot spell today.
<3> TML: s/Earth/Pluto/
<5> caffinated: actually, you cannot. you can see molecules moving in air but not air.
<1> TML: you're trying to draw a parallel between something tangable and something intangable.
<1> b1n0ry: that depends on what you define as 'air'
<5> i could have said "empty space" instead of "air" and that cannot be seen regardless
<5> yet there is an obvious effect of empty space
<10> even if god was/is real.. he/she/it is long bored with humans.
<7> Except he said "wind"
<0> caffinated: No, I'm pointing out that not everyone believes God to be intangable (sic)
<6> b1n0ry: there is no such thing as empty space
<5> myc: then what would you call the distance between molecules?
<1> TML: then one should have no problems proving the existance of this entity.
<10> b1n0ry: stuff we cant see yet
<5> if there was no such thing as empty space, then density would be a constant.
<10> on that theory, no 2 things can ever touch
<1> TML: heh, I get the feeling you've been waiting for a chance to discuss this ;)
<0> caffinated: There are people who believe they have spoken with, spent time with, and even literally touched their deity. I'm not clear why your stance is that their word should be any less valid than the word of people who tell you there's such a place as Morocco.
<5> Artax: not true, the distance between molecules can be reduced to 0 but the distance between molecules is not -always- 0.
<1> TML: because they have no way to prove what it is they have done. there is no process to divine whether or not their experience was the product of reality, or dilusion.
<10> my stance is i don't care if there is a god, there is no way i am ever worshipping anything
<5> caffinated: thus why belief in God requires an element of faith.
<0> caffinated: That's not true.
<5> Artax: only time will tell
<6> caffinated: can you prove, without objects, you have been to a location?
<10> even if there is a god, who cares
<1> TML: I'm not saying they are wrong, I'm saying their ***ertion is not provable by scientific means.
<5> Artax: pretty much anyone who doesn't want an eternally damned soul :)
<1> myc: no, however I can return to that location
<0> caffinated: What you mean to say is that you don't agree with their "test of reality vs. dilusion" (sic)
<6> caffinated: yet you can never prove you were there.
<10> no, the god people beleive in wouldnt damn anybody.. he forgives all and accpets his creations
<1> myc: I can photograph it
<5> Artax: interesting, you apparently know absolutely nothing about God and religion.
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