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<0> .... hate when I do that
<1> java is just slow
<2> hahaha!
<3> WCX: I just messed with phpbb mysql stuff. What's up?
<4> "Trust me, I'm right. I don't have to justify it."
<5> Now, .NET has the right idea
<6> What I hate is when people cling to the first language they ever learned like its some kind of oracle, milk producing tit and won't even open their mind to the possibility of other languages, even when the job requires it
<6> java is not slow
<6> swing is slow
<1> java is slow
<7> I'll try again. Anyone here used APC before?
<1> swing is slower
<8> Java is a lovable language.
<9> And Pollita, using java gives us actual profiling, compile time type checking, and has a thread model which is often needed in processing environments
<0> subsonic I sent you a PM
<6> Java is quite efficient
<5> fwiw, I learned Java long before I learned PHP
<8> If your Java code is slow, there's one explanation: *You write ****ty Java*
<1> I've only seen one benchmark between java and php
<1> and php blew java out of the water
<3> WCX: strange, i didn't get it
<6> kuja amen
<10> http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=6806
<5> benchmarks are meaningless
<10> http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=6805
<10> updated code /errors
<0> oh 1 sec
<1> Pollita, can you justify that?
<8> Ruby is slow, but I still use it :)
<6> I'm in love with .NET at the moment, though
<8> If you really care about speed, you may as well go with Python.
<6> just not asp.
<6> I hate asp.
<1> bleh i hate .net
<1> for web
<0> get it now?
<1> lack of control
<8> .NET looks not too bad, and on the bright side, it gets you paid big money.
<5> cythrawll: You need to take a closer look then
<6> I have my socket server running off mono :)
<3> I don't doubt Java, I doubt java/tomcat. It just doesn't seem like it's made for the web as well as php is
<1> Pollita, it takes so much away :/
<6> kuja, heh
<6> I went off and learned python
<6> It
<5> It just gives it to you differently
<1> and as far as asp, same argument with php
<5> The CLR is actually very similar to PHP's executor
<6> It's nice. And it works really well with database wrapping
<1> it takes alot of code to do the same thing
<4> subsonic: Eh? How can Tomcat not be made for the web?
<1> but if that was a valid argumetn
<1> go with coldfusion
<8> I'd probably dive into .NET/IronPython if I ever took the time to sit down and learn Python :)
<6> but python's philosophy is this: There's only *ONE* obvious way to do anything
<0> subsonic, did you get the PM now?
<1> cuz coldfusion can do everything in 3 lines
<3> oh, I'm not registered either
<4> cythrawll: Bah. Go with perl! Anything worth doing in 3 lines of perl is worth doing in 1 line.
<0> yea you must be registered
<6> subsonic, well, php is "made for the web" simply because of all the stuff it does *for you*, without any thinking on your parts
<3> wcx: type /join #poom
<6> like sending script headers
<1> i have 1 thing against perl and python
<1> they weren't written for web use
<1> sure they work
<6> whereas in any other CGI language you have to output them yourself
<6> eg,
<11> where can i get NICE ajax forms ?
<6> print "Content-Type: text/html\n\n";
<4> cythrawll: They don't need to be. That's what toolkits written in perl and python are for.
<8> cythrawll: Python equipped with a framework will beat PHP naked *or* any framework of your choice, any day and every day.
<6> cythrawll, when all is said and done, perl > php
<3> Shadda: Yeah, I guess that's true
<4> kuja: Naturally. But nothing stops you from making a framework in PHP.
<2> toast: Grilled on toast at the neighbour house.
<6> perl is m***ive. It has structure. Hell, it has CPAN man
<1> CPAN is ossm i have to agree
<1> and perl is m***ive
<8> mattmcc: Nothing stops any PHP user from making a framework. Look at other languages, there's probably 10 times more frameworks for PHP than there are others.
<6> php is a buttstain on the web. It just happens to be a really convenient one
<1> but still not made for web use
<6> cythrawll, CGI.pm. That is all.
<8> mattmcc: But none of them even compare to TurboGears or Django
<12> kuja: I... kinda doubt that.
<1> cgi is slow
<1> more like mod_perl
<1> k thnx
<13> can someone load www.brotown.tk so i can test the php hit counter i made
<1> cgi is always slow
<13> i pray it works. someone please click open~
<8> I've been reading through Django and certainly at first glance it was better than any PHP frameworks I tried.
<1> and cgi still doesn't solve security issues that come with web programming
<6> or what CGI.pm is for that matter
<13> hey i think it worked. someone opened it?
<8> Lateralus: Seriously, it feels like some phase PHP developers go through or something.
<1> mod_perl only launches one perl interpretter and uses that
<3> azuranz: done
<14> azuranz: yup.
<13> sweet
<4> kuja: Heh. The reason I've been playing with django a lot lately is because it does things so similarly to how my own PHP framework works.
<1> cgi launches a perl interpreter for every request
<1> = slo
<13> if you move pages does it add another to the counter? it sholdnt
<13> did someone else load it?
<13> i see another hit come up.
<8> I'd like to conclude though, that it doesn't matter how well the language naturally integrates with the web (and no language does like PHP), it's how well the language itself is. Syntactically I find Python/Ruby to be way more powerful than PHP, no doubt. I write less code and more readable code.
<15> a lot of image* functions in the php manual say GD 2.0.1 or higher is required, but it seems that at least some of those are available in GD 2.0.0. Are there any major flaws in GD 2.0 that have to be coded around?
<14> azuranz: you just posted that to a very active channel. chances are a lot of people clicked.
<13> ah yep
<16> guys, I'm sorry for interrupting what seems to be a great flame war (just kidding :) ) and I'm also sorry (this time for real) if I'm breaking guideline #7 (I didn't get it if it meant "no IRC scripts" or "no asking about PHP scripts") so I'll ask away and risk getting kicked :)
<16> I'm looking for a script that will receive an e-mail that gets piped into it and processes it in the following way: it will try to get the sender's address from a database and if the address is there, it will allow the e-mail to go through, otherwise it will send a message back to the sender with a unique link asking the sender to click it. when the sender clicks the link, his address will be added to the database and he will be able to send e-mails without
<16> having to reply from then on (it looks complicated and maybe even stupid but if you know what I'm looking for, I'm sure you understand)
<13> i think its working ok then. It only records ip unique hits too
<6> There's only one language I can really say I dislike incredibly, and that's ruby, though, kuja
<16> (wow, sorry, it got longer than I expected...)
<8> Shadda: People dislike Ruby, people dislike Python, dislike Perl, or even PHP. That's why there's a variety. :)
<4> borfast: Procmail? :P
<8> Shadda: Simply because people are indeed not the same.
<13> yeah sweet good enough. i'm GonE. Lataz
<6> Syntactically it drives me nuts. On paper it seems like a really good language. But these days it seems like ruby is synonymous with rails, which is actually where my main problem lies: rails scales *horribly*, IMO its only suitable for some emo kid's blog
<6> which is funnily enough all I ever see it used for
<16> mattmcc: Procmail isn't PHP... or are you talking about a script called Procmail?
<8> Shadda: I don't do web development, but I hear Nitro is a very good framework.
<6> I let one of my users setup rails and webrick for his site...took it down within a couple weeks because of all the resources it was pulling down for one little five page blog
<8> Shadda: Yes, because you were using webrick as a production server -- BIG MISTAKE.
<4> Right, that's not what it's for.
<6> aye, I know webrick's a fat monkey
<8> Just lik whatever webserver Django starts is't meant for production.
<6> but webrick should still only take so much resources before scaling becomes a factor
<8> Though, you've always got Mongrel, which has a lot of the parts written in C, and a lot of the parts written in Ruby, should it would definitely be faster than WEBrick
<8> Still, I wouldn't consider it for production use.
<6> I really want to get into ferite
<6> but try as I might, I've yet to get it to compile on any debian system
<8> Shadda: ferite? Never heard of it.
<17> Hello
<6> It's new[er]
<6> only version 1.x so far
<6> but it looks very promising
<8> Well, Rails is only 1.1.x :)
<8> Rails *also* looked very promising, if you can see where I'm going with this :)
<17> I am having problems with my sendmail script
<6> hehe
<8> Everyone seems to be happy with Python/Django though, heard lots of good things about it, which convinced me to give it a try.
<14> !tell Braden` about g1
<18> what module do i need for the money_format function?
<6> What I like about ferite is its OO and verbosity. It looks quite a bit like c#, but has some elegance operators mixed in
<17> Gimp_: I am more interested in the automated paste site message then the one you sent me.
<6> I tend to use twisted with python, but I wish it weren't so bloated
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